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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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how you doing today is wednesday april

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93 days into the new year just 272 days

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left we are live from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california i would like

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to welcome everybody listening all

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changer network and kg are a the planet

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking

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how you doing

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tonight's going to be one of those shows

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heather lynn is here

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that's

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heather lin it's got a new book out

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and it's a page turner

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it's called evil archaeology demons

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possessions and sinister relics there it

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is right there great cover

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we've got all the links up uh to go and

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get the book you can go over to

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jimmychurchradio.com go to

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drheatherlin.com

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and uh there it is amazon

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amazing book this is what uh this is

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what crazy dreams when you go to bed are

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made of right here this book right here

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i was just talking to her about

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my mind you start reading this and your

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mind just goes there

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just goes there it's a great book it's a

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great book so dr lynn is here

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evil archaeology all right that is the

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discussion tonight and tomorrow night is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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and that means your conversations your

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contact ufos time travel

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evil archaeology right all of that stuff

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lost history

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parallel worlds life after death ghosts

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everything goes down on thursday night

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on fader night so that'll be tomorrow

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and uh what a great week we've had uh

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think about it alex mastretta

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on monday night breaking it down last

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night billy carson tonight dr heather

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phew man

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i just love this gig you can follow me

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that's the simple thing to do

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which is our designated sandbox

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prefer the chat room atmosphere we've

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comments you can post those up there for

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oh man what a show i cannot wait for

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this tonight you know um i'm gonna i'm

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gonna get back uh to tonight's show here

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in just a bit but i've got to uh get to

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this breaking news

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a group of

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ex-spooks ex-spies

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are suing the defense department and spy

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agencies for the right to publish books

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on their careers

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being subjected to arbitrary

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amounting to a far-reaching system

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of prior restraint and this is according

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to the american civil liberties union

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who are suing the central intelligence

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agency the national security agency the

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intelligence and the defense department

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employees who argue that the confusing

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system has hurt them professionally

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yep and if that wasn't enough cia news

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for you today i've got more

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and i anticipate interference with

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tonight's show because of my

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blabber mouth

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when it comes to the cia or the nsa you

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know i'm being flagged right now right

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i mean that's all it takes

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that's all it takes i leave all the

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other trigger words out you know the

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ones that would really

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uh you know cause a breach

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of the bunker elevator and then them

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somehow getting in here yeah think about

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that all right because it was announced

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that the cia

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is preparing to significantly increase

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its reliance on

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with plans to solicit tens of billions

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now if that didn't cause you to pucker

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the program would also dramatically

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expand the federal market for technology

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and give a chance for other companies

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to compete with amazon

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potential contenders are microsoft

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ibm and oracle which are all trying to

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services to the intelligence community

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contract with the cia and oracle has

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gone to court to challenge a defense

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department winner take all solicitation

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amazon announced we all knew that amazon

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itself the book division right amazon

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wasn't making any money

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and everybody wondered you know how how

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you know you're so big you dominate

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everything but you're not making any

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money and their their reports their

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yearly reports and all their filings are

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saying you know what we're just not

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making any money here

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let me tell you where amazon has

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invested where the money is and where

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they turn around and sublease

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that it's it's it's an amazon world and

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when i say that i'm not joking

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they control it

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and that is where their profit comes

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from and they make ginormous dollars

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the amount of servers and cloud uh

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hard drives that are out there storing

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your information in the defense

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and the cia wants to make these

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investments and they want to get

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everybody in on it think about that for

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all right also announced today well

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officials have dubbed monday's bridge

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that's right

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but bridges across the united states are

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deteriorating and a new report released

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estimates it will take more than 80

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years 87 to be exact

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to fix all of them

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that's because more than 47 000 bridges

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in the united states are in crucial need

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of repairs and this is according to the

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builders association otherwise known as

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something close to it

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when they decided that they were going

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a highway system that would interconnect

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all the main cities in the united states

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coast to coast north of south east to

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west that everything was going to be

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connected and they were going to do it

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construction project and infrastructure

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project ever right

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but we did it

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we did it

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you know and and how do we get to the

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where they're talking about 87 years

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and and we can spend money and blow

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money all over the place and just wasted

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and we've got bridges collapsing in the

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it started about 10 years ago and it

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went on hasn't happened

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uh at least publicly

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probably the last five years but here in

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los angeles we had sewer lines blowing

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all over the city it was all streets

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flooded this happened you know

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it was just absolutely crazy and and our

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infrastructure here in l.a trust me

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you know they show you pictures of of of

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the beaches on postcards but what's

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really going on here in los angeles we

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have got to i don't care what city you

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pick we have got the worst roads and

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sewage system

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anywhere in the country is here in los

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angeles and they just can't i you know

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they built it uh cheaply back then and

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and now we're paying the price i don't

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and i still think

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i don't want to let this thought go

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i think we should have a cook-off

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a cook-off

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so somebody uh stacy

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uh somebody there in in boulder stacy

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has got to bring a grill

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so i'm just saying you bring the grill

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i'll bring the talent and we've got a

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lot of fader knots out there that don't

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want to show off their skills so i think

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we should have a cuckoo off

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at soul tech

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get all of that stuff become a fader not

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today over in our membership section at

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happy birthday today

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to eddie murphy

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eddie murphy today is 57

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coming to america that's all i got to

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say

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i'm not not vampire in brooklyn i didn't

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go there

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what was uh

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what was the cop movie with nick nolte

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48 hours what was that called

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it was pretty

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sounded like a

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a world war one biplane

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that's my imagination

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um yeah eddie murphy today is a chili

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cook-off that's not a bad idea but on a

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grill see that's gonna take all day

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but a chili cook-off okay we could maybe

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uh trading places yeah trading places is

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right there yeah i'm with you on that um

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eddie murphy 57 and there's a rumor

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going around in production

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is uh the sequel to coming to america

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yep part two

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yep coming back

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yeah i think that's what it's called

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coming back

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to america eddie murphy's 57 today alec

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baldwin

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is 60.

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and that's a tough call with alec

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because i like him a lot

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but

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it's really strange for me every time i

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think about him i think about glenn gary

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glen gary glen ross

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the steak knives

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that's right alec baldwin today is 60.

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and oh what i wanted to do and i and i

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just blew past it

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i wanted to light up twitter with

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what will rita be making stuffed chicken

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pasta

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rita's not allowed in the uh in the in

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the in the cook-off

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no that's that's stacking the deck

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that's stacking the deck okay uh what

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was i uh oh the uh best

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beetlejuice

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was thinking

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yeah alec baldwin beetlejuice that was

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pretty good that was pretty good um

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your best line what is the best line

431
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from coming to america

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i want to see how good

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you guys are what's your best line what

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is the best line

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don't worry about it

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you can post it our dead guy's birthday

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died at the age of 80. one of the

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greatest actors in history there's no

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question about that because you've got

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don vito and the godfather

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terry malloy and on the waterfront and

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of course colonel kurtz in apocalypse

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now and that's pretty much all you gotta

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say

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happy birthday

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marlon brando

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he's pretty good in the freshman too by

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the way

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yeah

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that boy is good that's pretty good try

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scale

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[Laughter]

453
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he's real good yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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that's a that's a good line right there

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all right

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where am i at on this day in history

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1996

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the unabomber is arrested

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at a small wilderness cabin near lincoln

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montana theodore john kozinski

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is arrested by fbi agents on this day in

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1996 fader fact

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okay

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murph

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i that's where i was going

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murph

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gonna hang out

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you got my respect drinks around me

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that's where i was going

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one

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in three

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three

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divorce filings in the united states

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include the word

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what

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okay so let's see

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let's light up twitter right now let me

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see who can

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the first person to get this up

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in twitter

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faded black coffee mug i'll do it right

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now okay you ready

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one

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in three divorce filings in the united

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states include the word

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one in three divorce filings include the

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word

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what

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that's everyone

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okay all right no nope that's a good

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guess there madeline that's also a

492
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pretty good idea i see where you go oh

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cat

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nath daniel is first at the same time

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they popped in together

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you guys are

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absolutely right nate daniel

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facebook

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came in at the same time you guys both

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got it

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you guys are funny yeah facebook

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one in three divorce filings today

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include the word

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facebook

505
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and there's a reason for it by the way

506
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and i've read into this today

507
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facebook is permanent you can delete all

508
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you want there's ways to go and and

509
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,480
all divorce attorneys

510
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,960
on on both sides

511
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go to facebook

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and dig

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they dig

514
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and that's it and that's their evidence

515
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yeah you would think it would almost be

516
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the opposite of that like somebody is

517
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accusing and there is that too as well

518
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right somebody saw something on facebook

519
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,480
okay but it's in the divorce filings

520
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:24,960
because those attorneys go and dig into

521
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,960
your social

522
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networking history

523
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,159
one in three divorce filings include the

524
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word facebook tonight dr heather lynn

525
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she's back with us

526
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,120
and we're going to be discussing her new

527
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book evil

528
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archaeology there it is right there

529
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,280
holding it up to the camera what do you

530
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,799
think of that cover

531
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the cover is amazing

532
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:48,720
all right so we're going to discuss this

533
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,640
demons possessions and sinister relics

534
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,320
and uh we'll be doing that right after

535
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the break tomorrow night is another

536
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fader night with open lines all night

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long

538
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:00,720
and there you go

539
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,360
um now this is where and i'm gonna i'm

540
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:05,520
gonna actually talk

541
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:08,960
to a dr lynn about this tonight when uh

542
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,559
there were two movies for me

543
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,600
uh when i was growing up that to this

544
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:18,240
day still scare me

545
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,520
uh i find them completely terrifying and

546
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,240
that is the exorcist

547
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:26,720
and the omen

548
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:29,840
now i watched both of those movies at a

549
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,360
terribly young age in a movie theater

550
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,720
uh you know rated r escorted uh by my

551
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,919
parents

552
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:38,880
and

553
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:42,559
but there was

554
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:46,400
one thing that happened in both of those

555
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:47,760
movies

556
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:50,559
that set the tone for tonight

557
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:53,760
and this book and that is both of those

558
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:56,320
movies start off with

559
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,280
uh an archaeological dig

560
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:01,760
right somewhere in the middle east right

561
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:05,919
or jerusalem or or iraq you know it's

562
00:24:11,990 --> 00:24:08,559
it's something's going on over there

563
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:12,000
and they unearth something and

564
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,080
then all hell breaks loose

565
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:16,880
some you know sinister relic

566
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:21,440
and i have never uh let go of that

567
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:24,400
in both of those movies today

568
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:26,559
and i i still watch him

569
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,600
i i

570
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,120
ask rita

571
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,120
i mean the omen scares the crap out of

572
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:32,720
me and i know the beginning the middle

573
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,400
and the end i know how it

574
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,880
i know i've read the books i've done

575
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,400
all of that

576
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,880
and i still can't help the feeling that

577
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i get from the beginning of both of

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those movies

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and in the omen when those knives are

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dug up you remember and they unroll the

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uh the

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the

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you just know right

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well that's what this book is about

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partially

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that you know that these digs happen

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and

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throughout history

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00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:11,919
one of the ways to hide things get rid

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of things punish things

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was to bury them

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right

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the bodies

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with the said relics

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and they unearth them all the time

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now

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is the exorcist and the omen scary

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00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,440
movies horror flicks and i get all of

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that but they're also religious based

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is there something there that is based

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in reality well i'm here to tell you and

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especially after reading this book

603
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that that is what goes on they're out

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there digging

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and that's what she does

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it's going to be a fascinating show

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tonight i cannot wait to get this

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discussion going and and as we uh do

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this conversation tonight i want you to

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do just that

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00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,559
let your imagination go go back to

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the beginning of the exorcist the

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00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,000
beginning of the omen and how serious

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and what the implications were

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for

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the the world

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after that

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think about it this is fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church it's going to be

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a great conversation tonight tomorrow

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night is open lines all night long it is

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fader night and as far as you guys go

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and gals

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you know what it is it's my favorite

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night of the week where i can just sit

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down relax and talk with all of you so

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we'll be doing that tomorrow night this

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is fade to black i'm your host jimmy

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church you can follow me on twitter at j

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church radio dr heather lin used to be

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on twitter normally right now i would

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give our guest

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a twitter account

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she

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i'm gonna ask her why

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um

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she's no longer on twitter

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and uh so there you go but it is

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doctorheatherlin.com

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it's faded black on the game change your

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network and kg r a the planet i'll be

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back with our guest right after this

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to block i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight dr heather lin is

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here

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tomorrow night is open lines fader night

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00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:15,279
open lines all night long

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this weekend i'm off it uh it's it's

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it's yard work

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yeah that's my future maybe a little

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00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,559
cookout too as well

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00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,720
tonight it's dr heather lin she's an

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00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,360
author historian renegade archaeologist

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00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,120
she's on a quest to uncover the truth

747
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:35,039
behind ancient mysteries

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she holds numerous degrees and

749
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,919
certificates in both history and

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archaeology and as a member of the

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professional organizations including the

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american historical association the

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00:32:48,870 --> 00:32:46,320
society for historical archaeology the

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sha the association of ancient

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00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,600
historians and the world archaeological

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00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,000
congress in addition to appearances on

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00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,000
radio programs like coast to coast am

758
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,919
and right here on fade to black she's

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00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,000
also a historical consultant for the

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television programs including

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00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:05,120
ancient aliens tonight we are going to

762
00:33:08,830 --> 00:33:06,559
talk about the new book i'm holding it

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00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,840
up for the cameras right here evil

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00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:11,440
archaeology and we are going to dive

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00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,519
deep into demons and possession and

766
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sinister artifacts and other gruesome

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00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,240
archaeological discoveries i would like

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00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:20,559
to welcome back to fade to black dr

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heather lynn

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doctor heather i you know we we we had

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this discussion before what do i do do i

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00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,000
go dr heather lind do i say dr heather

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00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,039
dr lynn or do you just go with heather

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00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,519
heather's fine perfectly fine i put the

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i make sure i put the doctor in front of

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the heather lin for advertising because

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if you google heather lynn you'll find a

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lot of different heather lin's and a lot

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of them are in different

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professions shall we say this than i am

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i figured that might be a differentiator

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00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,960
yeah right well look you earned it first

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off i mean

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00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,399
that that uh

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00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,399
i don't have uh any of those

786
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,320
three-letter professional things you

787
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,080
know following my name i'd be touting

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00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,760
that everywhere i go

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doesn't matter you know would you like

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00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:09,520
fries with this shake yes but call me

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00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,320
doctor right i mean that's just the way

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00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,760
it would play out

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00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,000
um it's been a while uh since you've

794
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,520
been on with us

795
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,960
obviously we've got the new book here

796
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,520
but what else have you been up to

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00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,599
oh a lot of writing

798
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,440
i have a couple books in the pipeline

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00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:27,919
coming out so um one after another so

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00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,599
i've been doing a lot of writing

801
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,879
a lot of research as you would imagine

802
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,520
working with the uh production company i

803
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,919
have a project in the works that um

804
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,760
you know can't get into all the details

805
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,919
about but it's uh for cable television

806
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,000
so it should be pretty exciting so doing

807
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,560
a lot of things that way so yeah some

808
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,159
top secret things and whatnot but yeah

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00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,520
i've been real busy

810
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,399
good times have you been traveling

811
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,240
a little bit uh but not as much as i

812
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,320
would like i've been kind of stuck in my

813
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,560
office doing a lot of the uh i shouldn't

814
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,920
put it that way i'm very grateful to

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00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,359
have the opportunity to actually be

816
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,800
stuck in my office to do this sort of

817
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:05,280
work but um you know i now that i've

818
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:06,480
wrapped up some of these writing

819
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:09,440
projects um i'm i'm having a whole lot

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of

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play i plan on doing a lot more uh

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00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,680
traveling like i said i'm working on a

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00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,440
television program that will have me

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00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:19,200
pretty much going everywhere so that i

825
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,480
look forward to traveling a lot more

826
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,480
this year well as a renegade

827
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,760
archaeologist have you uh

828
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,839
have you noticed and are excited about

829
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:29,680
especially it seems like the last two

830
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,800
years

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00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,680
where there is a lot being dug up around

832
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,680
the world it doesn't matter if it's you

833
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:38,320
know germany or russia or the middle

834
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,200
east and and egypt and even here in the

835
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:43,359
united states of some very exciting

836
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,720
stuff uh has been happening in north and

837
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,800
uh south america

838
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,480
uh what do you what do you make of that

839
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,560
that it's getting into the mainstream

840
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,040
media like it is i've i've never noticed

841
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:57,280
it uh like this before

842
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,280
it is pretty amazing it it's i'm

843
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,839
i'm not surprised actually i i know that

844
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,359
there has been a push to be more

845
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,400
transparent thankfully right so pete and

846
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,880
it also helps with funding so a lot of

847
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,640
people have realized that when they open

848
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,240
their research up to the public and get

849
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,320
people excited over it people are more

850
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,560
likely to support the work and then the

851
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,560
funding sort of comes in as a result or

852
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,720
at least they hope that that's the case

853
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,640
uh so but yeah

854
00:36:29,870 --> 00:36:27,119
i think you're seeing too a bigger uh

855
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:29,880
effort to combat what is called

856
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,240
pseudo-archaeology i've seen a lot of

857
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,640
these articles come across my desk from

858
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,040
mainstream archaeologists who sort of

859
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,680
recognize that there is a problem in the

860
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,400
way they communicate or do not

861
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:44,720
communicate with the general public

862
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,000
so this for a long time you have

863
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,480
archaeologists and scholars in general

864
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,040
who are basically writing for each other

865
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,280
they write in what's called academies so

866
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:56,800
that it's just sort of understood

867
00:37:02,390 --> 00:36:59,839
between the academics and it's in

868
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,400
hidden in databases that only academics

869
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:04,480
can access and it's just sort of a

870
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,520
closed system well it you know and and

871
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,000
that's i think what's happening now is

872
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:11,839
they're realizing that because they've

873
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,280
been so cloistered it leaves a vacuum

874
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,520
and people want to know about our past

875
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,359
and they want to know about all of the

876
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,040
work that's going on and so if there's a

877
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,119
vacuum then other people will fill it

878
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:25,760
and that can be with any

879
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:28,160
any kind of theory whether it's the most

880
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,160
fringe to just you know anything that

881
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,160
goes anywhere near against the

882
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:33,920
mainstream narrative well that's made

883
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:36,079
them quite uncomfortable and so they

884
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,920
have actually had meetings there's been

885
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:40,320
lots of roundtable discussions and

886
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:44,400
workshops about how do they combat the

887
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,720
rise of what they call

888
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,440
pseudo-archaeology and so what you have

889
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,520
now are a lot of people doing public

890
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,400
outreach

891
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,880
archaeologists trying their best to you

892
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,800
know reach out to the public but what's

893
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:56,480
sort of funny is they're they're doing

894
00:38:01,829 --> 00:37:59,680
it quite clumsily so you'll have um

895
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,839
you know some archaeologists who well

896
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,599
i'll i'll give a personal example for

897
00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,240
one my book is called evil archaeology

898
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,320
before it came out it was already

899
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:10,400
attacked which is absolutely silly and

900
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,640
unfair because it's it's really not i

901
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,800
wouldn't call it too controversial but

902
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,200
it got attacked on amazon and people

903
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,599
started rating it before it was even out

904
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,440
before you could even review it right so

905
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,079
they put terrible reviews on and said

906
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,240
you know oh i guess you know another one

907
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:28,079
of these fringe books or something to

908
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,680
that effect and i researched who it was

909
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,280
that you know put that out there and i

910
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:33,760
found that it was somebody linked to a

911
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,800
very popular podcast and media outlet of

912
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,760
mainstream academic archaeologists who

913
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,920
go about and sort of act like they're

914
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,839
the champions of the mainstream and

915
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,520
they're going to get these fringe people

916
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,400
and whatnot

917
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,880
so i found that what they did too is

918
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:50,640
they they came out with their own

919
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,200
publication called spooky archaeology i

920
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:55,119
hate to give them a plug but it doesn't

921
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,119
really matter too much because it's a

922
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,720
it's a misnomer

923
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:00,079
they came out with this book right

924
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:04,320
before mine that looks to be similar

925
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,880
to mine but it's absolutely not when you

926
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,040
really look into it it's a whole

927
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,079
diatribe against pseudo-archaeology it's

928
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,680
completely nothing like what it's

929
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,280
supposed to be and

930
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,240
it's about 70 last i checked and it was

931
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,000
because it was printed on a university

932
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,560
press and so my thought is well good job

933
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,920
guys if you're really trying to be

934
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,079
transparent and reach out and and you

935
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,960
know then maybe try writing a more um

936
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,200
interesting book and

937
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,119
price it a little better than 70 like a

938
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,520
textbook price like it was absolutely

939
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:37,359
ridiculous but the whole thing isn't

940
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,480
even about

941
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,440
spooky archaeology it's about them going

942
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,599
on rants about how bad fringe and

943
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,359
alternative ideas are so it's sort of a

944
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,200
bait and switch sort of thing but

945
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:49,599
yeah it's it's it's it's a shame so but

946
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,520
there is a lot of rumblings in the

947
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,040
mainstream right now i think that the

948
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,520
alternative has really really got them

949
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,880
down i don't know if you heard the

950
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,640
latest but

951
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:01,599
stonehenge has a partnership now with

952
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,560
ancient aliens who were so generous as

953
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,960
to give them funding which they needed

954
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,920
and

955
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:09,359
bringing attention to some of their

956
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,359
needs and you'd think this was a good

957
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,680
thing but the mainstream archaeologists

958
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,599
are losing their minds they're losing

959
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,839
their minds saying this is an outrage

960
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:19,280
how could they do this how could they

961
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,400
partner and

962
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,680
you know with

963
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,000
such a terrible show and and you know

964
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,760
regardless of what you think about the

965
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,160
show or its theories or or whatever

966
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:30,079
it just seems sort of

967
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,160
you know uh petty to go attacking and

968
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,760
something that a lot of people like and

969
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,720
enjoy

970
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,680
and

971
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,079
you know it's it's benefiting

972
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,000
stonehenge

973
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:44,079
culture where were all of those

974
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,320
professional organizations

975
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,960
uh three four five years ago when the

976
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:51,599
planning commission started to plan

977
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:55,200
a tunnel underneath uh a stonehenge or a

978
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,760
new road or you know wait a minute if

979
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,280
you want to preserve if you want to have

980
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,000
integrity stop that

981
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:04,560
you know and i was like i was out i just

982
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,599
thought to myself how can schools

983
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:09,359
and and these

984
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,480
you know where all of this

985
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:12,400
archaeological funding comes from and

986
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,200
then that trickles down uh from you know

987
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,400
states and governments uh where are you

988
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,319
when something like this is going on

989
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,160
with one of the most historical places

990
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:23,920
on the planet there's no question about

991
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:26,880
that you can't deface or dig or do

992
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,920
anything to that in fact move the road

993
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,760
exactly you don't need a tunnel

994
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,920
underneath stone it builds up what are

995
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,000
you talking about but nobody wanted to

996
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,040
say anything so ancient aliens comes in

997
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,280
and offers a little bit of help and now

998
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,960
and this is the other thing

999
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,280
heather and i'm not i'm not uh

1000
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,000
exaggerating in the least here

1001
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:53,520
ancient aliens like it or not has done

1002
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:57,680
more for tourism in egypt and peru and

1003
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,359
bolivia and mexico and stonehenge than

1004
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:04,160
anybody else

1005
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,200
that's

1006
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:07,680
you you just can't do that people want

1007
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,640
answers which goes back i'm i don't want

1008
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:12,240
to ramble

1009
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:14,640
but i want to go back to to your point

1010
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,440
when we talk about pseudo-archaeology

1011
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,160
that that is coming from

1012
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,520
uh or

1013
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,240
orthodox academia

1014
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:27,280
they they the reason for them is saying

1015
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,000
that is because of the vacuum you

1016
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,720
referred to if they would be more

1017
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:35,599
transparent then people wouldn't go and

1018
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:38,640
write the story people wouldn't go and

1019
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,920
fill in the blanks because of them

1020
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,160
there's big big issues out there right

1021
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,400
now that they want to continue to keep

1022
00:42:51,030 --> 00:42:48,720
their heads uh buried in the sand about

1023
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:51,040
and one of them is the history of us

1024
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,000
right

1025
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,680
that's a big one

1026
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,440
the history of us and we want these

1027
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:57,680
answers are they buried out there

1028
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,560
somewhere in some warehouse do you know

1029
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:02,720
something that we don't are you holding

1030
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:06,240
back well the silence is deafening and

1031
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:08,480
that's when uh they want to call them

1032
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,800
pseudo archaeologists but people that

1033
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,720
are interested in the research like

1034
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,640
yourself too as well

1035
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,119
absolutely that's absolutely correct and

1036
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,760
another another point that that sticks

1037
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,920
out to me most recently was

1038
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:24,400
a discussion that was going on on a

1039
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:27,520
closed sort of board of historians and

1040
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:30,560
it was spurred by an article from the

1041
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:32,560
chronicle of higher education

1042
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:36,240
magazine it was entitled historians we

1043
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:36,960
are

1044
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,800
what is this and so you know i read the

1045
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,800
story i i look at the dialogue that's

1046
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,560
going along and i i was appalled i

1047
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:46,800
couldn't even believe it these people

1048
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:49,359
were complaining that

1049
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:50,240
they

1050
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:51,920
shouldn't have to answer the public's

1051
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:53,119
questions

1052
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,720
because this is their service this is

1053
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,640
how they make a living they likened it

1054
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,880
to giving free legal advice or health

1055
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,720
advice and that that was unprofessional

1056
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,760
and inappropriate and they shouldn't

1057
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,920
have to do that and i thought is this

1058
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,000
really where we've come and

1059
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,160
no wonder there's a vacuum i looked at

1060
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:10,880
it like this i became a historian

1061
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,319
because i was excited about learning

1062
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,160
history i was excited about the things

1063
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,640
that i found out i wanted to share that

1064
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:21,119
information i wanted to correct the

1065
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,359
record or or just share i just simply

1066
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,520
wanted to teach and share and for

1067
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,480
somebody to say yeah but no my time's

1068
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,079
valuable and i'm not going to answer

1069
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,319
your questions what good are you a

1070
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,800
historian tells stories you're supposed

1071
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:37,280
to tell a story you're supposed to speak

1072
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,960
and and so right now in the industry

1073
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,760
they are objecting to this notion that

1074
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,319
anyone dare ask a question to them in

1075
00:44:52,069 --> 00:44:48,560
fact they've they've come out with this

1076
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:52,079
advice to each other that if a student

1077
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:54,079
and not just anybody a student if they

1078
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:56,720
email you with a question you need to

1079
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:59,680
vet them very well and then still yeah

1080
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:02,319
maybe or maybe not answer their question

1081
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:03,520
and i thought

1082
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,319
what this just does it boggles my mind

1083
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:08,880
it's completely it's the opposite it's

1084
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,599
the absolute opposite so now what so now

1085
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:13,520
if somebody is watching ancient aliens

1086
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,680
and there might be something inaccurate

1087
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,520
or that they may disagree with or you

1088
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,200
know whatever if they have a question

1089
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,880
they think well maybe i'd like to

1090
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,280
contact that historian up at my local

1091
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:25,280
university well what they they'll

1092
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,680
they'll not respond to them and so and

1093
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:29,839
then they go around and complain that

1094
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:30,640
well

1095
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,520
you know

1096
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,200
they don't listen to us nobody listens

1097
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:34,800
to nobody's

1098
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,280
it's it's it's a ridiculous catch-22 and

1099
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:38,720
they're doing this to themselves and

1100
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:39,520
they're

1101
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,680
see the rise in alternative thinking and

1102
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,680
alternative archaeology and it's like

1103
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,400
well

1104
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,240
you know this is what happens and i

1105
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:49,760
think it's fine i think there's nothing

1106
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,440
wrong with it i think we need to be able

1107
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,240
to be comfortable and secure our own

1108
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,200
thoughts and be able to explore ideas

1109
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,640
that sort of

1110
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,480
go against what we may believe or go

1111
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,000
against what we think that's that's

1112
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,920
important it's to push us out of those

1113
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,319
boxes that sometimes we put ourselves in

1114
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,160
even but yeah the idea that somebody

1115
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:10,240
were to ask me a question and i'd say

1116
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:11,119
well

1117
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,880
i'm not on the clock sorry about that

1118
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,200
it's just preposterous to me

1119
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,040
so no i i

1120
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,720
that that's that's an example of some of

1121
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,319
the problems that are going on right now

1122
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,200
in in the field yeah i uh i've gotten

1123
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,839
into a couple of heated uh discussions

1124
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:27,440
over the years with different

1125
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,839
archaeologists and anthropologists

1126
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,800
about homo sapiens sapien and and the

1127
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:35,680
missing link and darwin

1128
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,400
and they are so steadfast in that

1129
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,720
okay we don't have all the answers but

1130
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,240
we know

1131
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,720
that we evolved from

1132
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,800
blah blah blah blah blah that there

1133
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,640
wasn't anything magical there wasn't

1134
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,880
anything strange there wasn't anything

1135
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:54,160
you know

1136
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,079
wait a minute we just appeared

1137
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,760
right 150 000 years ago

1138
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,480
our glorious selves with our bodies and

1139
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,319
our faces and everything nothing like

1140
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,200
cro-magnon or neanderthal or homo

1141
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,319
erectus or any going back to lucy which

1142
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,319
were all primates i don't care what

1143
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,839
anybody says

1144
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,160
you know that forehead that jaw that

1145
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,000
build those bones

1146
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:22,960
that's what we're talking about here

1147
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:26,319
us humans today

1148
00:47:32,109 --> 00:47:29,760
are unique and not only unique um on

1149
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,119
this planet just unique to

1150
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:33,680
everything

1151
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,640
so

1152
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,800
how did we get here well jimmy you don't

1153
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,880
understand archaeology man you don't

1154
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,920
understand anthropology you see no i do

1155
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,440
actually

1156
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,440
what i'm trying to say is we just

1157
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,599
appeared so where's the missing link if

1158
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,839
darwin is right and this is the the

1159
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,160
problem that i have if darwin is right

1160
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,240
then we've got millions of years of

1161
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,160
evolution behind us

1162
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,920
where is it

1163
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,319
it doesn't exist right this the the

1164
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:02,400
proverbial missing link but they don't

1165
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,240
want to talk about that

1166
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:05,520
you know they just want to say you know

1167
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:07,119
what you're not smart enough you're not

1168
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,480
an archaeologist you're not an

1169
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:11,280
anthropologist you know we know you

1170
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:14,960
don't it sounds fantastical okay but but

1171
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,440
we know that we evolved here and i just

1172
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,240
want an explanation heather that's all

1173
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,240
and they won't give it yeah

1174
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,480
and it's a very elitist

1175
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:26,800
discipline for sure and that's that's

1176
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:29,920
sort of uh the opposite of my

1177
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:32,400
my belief set i i'm not elitist in any

1178
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,359
way i i couldn't afford to be elitist my

1179
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,440
background was is certainly the opposite

1180
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,599
of all that so i mean when i went to

1181
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,280
college i went for well first off i

1182
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:43,680
didn't even finish high school i ran

1183
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,640
away from home at 16 years old and

1184
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:48,640
started traveling the country and and

1185
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:50,559
and just had all sorts of uh wacky

1186
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,319
adventures um i guess we'll call them

1187
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,520
that

1188
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,000
you know so i uh i i took a very

1189
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,000
non-traditional route to these sorts of

1190
00:49:01,349 --> 00:49:00,000
things um but i think that was actually

1191
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:01,359
one of the things that got me into this

1192
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,599
to begin with is traveling across the

1193
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,440
country like that

1194
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,280
late night radio and

1195
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:08,960
that was a big part of the experience

1196
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,599
and sure meeting people in truck stops

1197
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,400
and diners and talking to them all hours

1198
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,319
of the night about what they saw on the

1199
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:19,040
road and their personal experiences and

1200
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:20,800
that sort of thing just stuck with me

1201
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:22,960
for a very long time and when i went

1202
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,359
back to school i started at community

1203
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,119
college and i just worked my way up from

1204
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,359
there and so i i

1205
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,880
i struggled through the whole thing i

1206
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,400
mean you know it's cost a lot of money

1207
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,400
and it's a lot of work and and not to

1208
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,119
mention the the whole uh you know

1209
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,880
community college isn't so bad but once

1210
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,559
you then go away from that and say

1211
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:41,920
you're in graduate school with a bunch

1212
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:44,000
of you know other doctoral candidates

1213
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,920
and they're all you know

1214
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,599
they've had a different maybe

1215
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,000
way through it than you have um you

1216
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,240
start to see some of the

1217
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:54,319
injustices and the elitism at play and

1218
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:56,559
then with the professors and so it was

1219
00:50:03,109 --> 00:49:59,520
it was i felt like a double agent

1220
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:03,119
especially after i think it was my

1221
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,760
junior year in undergraduate i contacted

1222
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,119
michael cremo

1223
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,119
um everybody i'm sure is familiar with

1224
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:11,680
michael crema i would hope at least but

1225
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,119
um i contacted him to ask him you know

1226
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,119
for some advice and i was surprised and

1227
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,440
pleasantly surprised that he responded

1228
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,960
and gave me that advice i was looking

1229
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,640
for which was very helpful because at

1230
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,480
the time i was getting a little

1231
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,720
disenchanted with everything i thought i

1232
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,559
just want to blow this popsicle stand

1233
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,720
and you know just explore some of these

1234
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:33,119
alternative ideas but uh you know he

1235
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,400
essentially talked me off the ledge and

1236
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,559
so i stayed in school but what i did was

1237
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:41,280
i looked at it as a an opportunity to do

1238
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:42,240
sort of

1239
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,960
um you know i guess spy double agent

1240
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:46,880
sort of thing you know so i thought when

1241
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,720
i get out of this i'm taking all the

1242
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,359
skills that i'm acquiring here and i'm

1243
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,119
going to use them

1244
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,160
for in my mind the better of course if

1245
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,079
you ask my former professors they would

1246
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,480
say i went to the dark side um but you

1247
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:02,079
know that's that's a difference in

1248
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,800
perspective right did you ever consider

1249
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,200
uh the straight and narrow and staying

1250
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:09,040
on the other side of the fence in in

1251
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,240
academia

1252
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,960
i did i i really did because

1253
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:14,640
what i started doing was community

1254
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,680
archaeology uh i worked in downtown

1255
00:51:21,190 --> 00:51:19,680
cleveland on a lot of excavations which

1256
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,200
sounds kind of weird like what would be

1257
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,359
in downtown cleveland well a lot it was

1258
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,280
quite fascinating to work in an urban

1259
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,800
environment and i used to help out with

1260
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,119
um a different a program they had for

1261
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,960
inner city youth to

1262
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:34,559
get involved in archaeology and learn

1263
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,640
their own you know cultural past and

1264
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,800
these sorts of things and so i've always

1265
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,119
had a passion for public involvement in

1266
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,200
archaeology and history and so i did

1267
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:46,079
want to go into teaching but um it just

1268
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,240
it wasn't where i felt that i would be

1269
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,480
my my most

1270
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:53,040
helpful i mean i i still actually go and

1271
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,640
i work a few places at some local

1272
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:56,720
historical societies and do things like

1273
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,599
that and it's also a really that's

1274
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:01,599
that's a disaster it's such a tragedy

1275
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,710
the last one i worked for

1276
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:03,760
[Music]

1277
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,079
as a consultant

1278
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,319
let me just say if anyone wants to help

1279
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,119
archaeology if anyone wants to help the

1280
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,800
the efforts to

1281
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,720
know our past and preserve our past and

1282
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,559
they feel they can't really do anything

1283
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,200
go to your local historical society just

1284
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,200
the local little you know organization

1285
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,440
and volunteer do anything you can that's

1286
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:24,960
where it starts at the local level

1287
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,119
because a lot of our local historical

1288
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,640
societies they have amazing

1289
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:33,280
amazing data and it's being just lost

1290
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,559
because a lot of them don't they just

1291
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,720
don't have the the income or the

1292
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,960
volunteering or just there's this sort

1293
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:40,800
of lack of interest that people are

1294
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,000
showing in in their history so

1295
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,839
i see it crumbling i see it crumbling

1296
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,599
around us and it's quite sad so i've

1297
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,280
done a lot of working with local

1298
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,359
historical societies to try to

1299
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,280
clean up their archives maybe digitize

1300
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:55,359
things and get that out into the public

1301
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,040
so that people can research these things

1302
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,359
because there's hidden gems all around

1303
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,599
us all around america but you know a lot

1304
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:03,920
of us can't even get to get to see these

1305
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:07,280
things i mean boxes and boxes stacked in

1306
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,200
anything i've seen them rotting in barns

1307
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:10,240
and

1308
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,880
so there's a lot of work to be done in

1309
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,559
history and and it seems that the

1310
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:18,640
historians and archaeologists the people

1311
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:20,880
who are charged with doing this in the

1312
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,200
public trust mind you most of the time

1313
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,240
they're getting paid by taxpayer dollars

1314
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,599
they're not doing this they're not

1315
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:30,240
reaching out to the public and so it's

1316
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,400
it's a it's a tragedy

1317
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,960
and uh so they really have no right to

1318
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,920
complain when people enjoy documentaries

1319
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,359
and and all these different things that

1320
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,880
are reaching out to them to teach them

1321
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,480
because nobody else is teaching anybody

1322
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:45,839
it seems yeah and the thought of what is

1323
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,800
in the basements of the museums around

1324
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:50,880
the world that have been

1325
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,640
you know stored away in boxes and

1326
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,520
completely forgotten

1327
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,800
i mean

1328
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:59,200
the the amount of manpower it would take

1329
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,240
to go

1330
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:02,000
and and check this stuff out they just

1331
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,400
recently found in the cairo museum in

1332
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:05,760
the basement

1333
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,880
the model of king tut's boat

1334
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,400
right and they just they didn't even

1335
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,400
know they had it

1336
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:13,599
yeah

1337
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,960
it seems like

1338
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:16,800
you know and they put that on

1339
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,720
it was it was you know headline news

1340
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:21,599
last week but they only found it because

1341
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,440
they built the new museum over there and

1342
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,119
they're moving the museum from one

1343
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:26,960
building to the other you know to the

1344
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:29,760
new grand uh cairo museum

1345
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:32,559
and they found it in a box and it had

1346
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,000
and wrapped in a newspaper i believe

1347
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,160
from 1932.

1348
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,400
so probably wrapped up by howard carter

1349
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:42,880
himself put in the box and forgotten

1350
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:46,240
wow and what would it take uh you know

1351
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,520
because we have

1352
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:49,200
all this excitement with you know go

1353
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,800
beckley tepe and the stuff that's going

1354
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,640
on in peru and

1355
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,400
and and around the world

1356
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,079
what would it take

1357
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,880
for something to blow

1358
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,520
history's doors off you know i mean the

1359
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:04,160
paradigm shift in everything whether

1360
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,200
it's it's religious or it's e.t

1361
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,359
off-world related or

1362
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,400
or parallel just some crazy

1363
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:14,240
atlantis

1364
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,160
if if that happened

1365
00:55:21,030 --> 00:55:18,079
would they announce it would they

1366
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:21,040
announce a game changer

1367
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:21,839
well

1368
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:24,640
i have a very specific answer to this

1369
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:27,200
and my answer is

1370
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,280
we wouldn't get that information we

1371
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:31,599
wouldn't even know it because they would

1372
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,680
have sort of pre-screened that so

1373
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,359
the way this works it's really terrible

1374
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,200
i talk about this in a lot of my

1375
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,280
previous work with the sort of

1376
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,839
corruption that is the academic

1377
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:46,400
industrial complex especially in the

1378
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,200
field of archaeology and archaeology i'm

1379
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:51,040
sure i'll get the emails but you know

1380
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:51,920
what

1381
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:58,000
in war-torn countries and in the middle

1382
00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:58,880
east

1383
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,240
there are there's a there's an idea that

1384
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:04,079
these professors are going out and

1385
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,920
they're doing this work and you know

1386
00:56:10,069 --> 00:56:07,920
then they come back and they scrub the

1387
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,079
artifacts and publish papers and teach

1388
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,599
and put things in museums and it's just

1389
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,160
this beautiful you know symbiotic no

1390
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:16,480
it's just not that way now that's not to

1391
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:19,200
say that there haven't been those

1392
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,280
things it's just it's but that's not

1393
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,960
always what happens and so when you have

1394
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:24,880
these larger scale excavations that are

1395
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:28,079
going on in politically sensitive areas

1396
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where there maybe could be something

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found that is a game changer

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there they have that tightly locked we

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don't even know about some of those

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excavations until after the fact they're

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00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:41,680
secret excavations they're not funded

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00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,960
outwardly and in the open in a

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00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:44,799
transparent way in fact they're funded

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00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:47,680
oftentimes by things like big oil

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00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,200
or elite families elite families who and

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i don't even mean like rothschild and

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00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,280
boogeyman and stuff although

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those types are actually funding

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00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:00,960
excavations but i mean actual individual

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elites whose sole mission is to

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get these artifacts for their collection

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unapologetically they go out and it's

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basically that they're hiring the

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universities to go

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and shop for them for these artifacts so

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they launder the money they go and they

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make foundations they give the

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foundations money the foundations turn

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into grants then the grants go down to

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the university the university hands that

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to the individual research lab and then

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00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,400
so on and so on so there's so many

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00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:32,319
points of separation so the average

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00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,359
person they'll never know where that

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00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,200
money came from and who's actually

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00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:37,520
funding these these things now

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00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:39,599
why that's important it's because follow

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00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,319
the money so if if say i i am out there

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00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:44,960
in iraq currently digging and i have

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00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:48,079
been funded by an elite family and a

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global bank and big oil and a

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government intelligence agency which

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these are all examples that are true if

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00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:58,480
i'm out there and i'm digging and i find

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something absolutely game-changing a

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tablet that has something on it that

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says exactly where we came from or an

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artifact that that defies all physical

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laws something that just does not fit at

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all and it's just amazing there is just

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00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,720
no way anyone's going to know about that

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00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,559
who where what am i going to do

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00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:20,880
i have to give it up to you know who's

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00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,839
paying the bills there yeah

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00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,000
you can't exactly put it in your pocket

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00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,760
uh you can't put it in your pocket you

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can't yeah there's nothing you have to

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00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,799
report this you have to do and so what

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00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,480
will happen at that point with this

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00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:35,119
amazing game changer well

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it's going to go to the highest bidder

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00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,559
whoever has the vested interest it's

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00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:39,839
certainly not going to go out to the

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00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:42,400
public the public gets little pot shards

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00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,799
and you know little bits and pieces that

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will look nice in a museum after a

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00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,960
couple years when the excavation's over

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00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,319
and the papers have been written and

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there's nothing to see here folks move

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it along exactly

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we have to take a break we have to take

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00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,200
a break right here on that note all

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right our guest tonight dr heather lynn

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00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,240
holding it up to the cameras right here

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her new book evo archaeology

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[Music]

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break

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on the game changer network and ktra the

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planet i'm your host jimmy church stay

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welcome back fade to black i'm your

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jimmy church our guest tonight dr

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heather lin

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her new book evil archaeology

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[Music]

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01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,880
demons possessions and sinister relics

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01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:18,960
which is where i'm gonna

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01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:22,559
i gotta start right there and heather

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okay

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01:05:30,309 --> 01:05:27,520
this is this is my serious trip with all

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of this and and i always tie in

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my childhood and i go back and i and

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still to this day

1609
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,599
the opening like 10 minutes of the

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exorcist or the opening 10 minutes of

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the omen

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really set the stage when we start to

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think about what you know what was

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01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:47,039
buried around the world and the

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01:05:52,230 --> 01:05:49,599
archaeology that goes along with it and

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01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:52,240
what could possibly be found and and

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01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:54,720
what it could mean to all of humanity

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01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:56,880
right all these things

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01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:00,799
but um i i feel that there is some

1620
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historical fact

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01:06:09,270 --> 01:06:06,559
in the opening to those two movies and

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then i read this book and i'm like aha

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right hollywood didn't get it wrong for

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once

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um is there some truth to that

1626
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,799
i think so i mean in a way in a strange

1627
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way i think this book might have been a

1628
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a strange love letter to those types of

1629
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movies um i they've they kind of

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they motivated me

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when i was younger to look at some of

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these darker questions i was brought up

1633
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catholic and so of course i wasn't

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supposed to watch the exorcist and of

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course then i did

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probably at too young of an age i think

1637
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so it really affected me in the omen as

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well it was quite frightening but those

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things stood out to me and it wasn't

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actually until much later

1641
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that i

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saw the exorcist again

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as an adult and already a professional

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that it sort of hit me it resonated with

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me in a different way that hey wait a

1646
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minute this is what does the archaeology

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have to do with this whole bit and so it

1648
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it piqued my interest even more and uh

1649
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it wasn't long after seeing it again on

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cable television sort of playing you

1651
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know the background that um i came

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across a strange news story out of north

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carolina in 2014 it was a

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man who had been

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murdering

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and cannibalizing neighbors and burying

1657
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them in his backyard

1658
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,280
actually i should say his mother's

1659
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backyard he lived at his mother's home

1660
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:34,240
um and so it was kind of a you know

1661
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:36,640
typical gruesome crime story but what

1662
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:38,799
wasn't typical was that his name was

1663
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,280
pazuzu

1664
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,760
changed his name are you serious okay

1665
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:46,000
wait wait wait hold on for the audience

1666
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,039
who's

1667
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:49,599
you gotta kazuzu is the gentleman on the

1668
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:52,000
cover i mean the demon on the cover of

1669
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:53,119
my book

1670
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,359
he is a mesopotamian demon the demon of

1671
01:08:02,309 --> 01:07:59,920
the southwestern wind it is the demon

1672
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:02,319
from the movie the exorcist right that

1673
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:05,200
you'll see in the opening scene and he's

1674
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,480
quite uh obscene looking and frightening

1675
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,119
and he is the demon who then goes on and

1676
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,599
is responsible for the possession of the

1677
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:15,760
main character in the movie the exorcist

1678
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,040
but it's an actual demon from

1679
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,839
mesopotamia so the william peter blatty

1680
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:22,080
got that absolutely correct in his book

1681
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:24,239
and of course the movie and so that

1682
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:25,199
demon

1683
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:26,719
pazuzu

1684
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:29,679
uh is what this man's name was he he was

1685
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,520
originally john lawson

1686
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,600
and he grew up into suburbs in north

1687
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:36,319
carolina and after struggling with uh

1688
01:08:41,709 --> 01:08:39,520
clear mental health issues he went on to

1689
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:41,719
recruit sort of a brotherhood of

1690
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:44,080
disenfranchised people and and he got a

1691
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,920
girlfriend and then one of her friends

1692
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:47,520
to help him

1693
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:50,239
do these things as a way to

1694
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,359
worship

1695
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,000
pazuzu and honor pazuzu

1696
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,560
and so he had this idea that the

1697
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:58,560
sumerian religion involved a monthly

1698
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,920
blood sacrifice at the first of course

1699
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,600
of a small animal until he worked his

1700
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,199
way up to humans

1701
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,880
but he had to perform these rituals

1702
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,120
during what he called the black moon in

1703
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,000
order to appease pazuzu

1704
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:14,719
and so it's quite a weird story i mean

1705
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:16,960
to say the least but i started looking

1706
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,159
at this it really struck me as eerie and

1707
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,080
probably of course because of my

1708
01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,080
interest in the uh the movie the

1709
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,319
exorcist and so i started looking more

1710
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,480
into it and i found pictures and video

1711
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,159
that had been taken from the inside of

1712
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,480
his his mother's house and it was it was

1713
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:34,880
just so disturbing there were sumerian

1714
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,600
markings and occult symbols all over the

1715
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,159
walls and ceilings of his living room

1716
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:42,000
there were cut out pictures of sumerian

1717
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,560
demons and anunnaki pinned all over the

1718
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:47,359
walls his kitchen was filthy and it's

1719
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,719
where he had

1720
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,400
prepared the victim's body for

1721
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:51,679
consumption

1722
01:09:56,470 --> 01:09:54,560
he had demonic imagery all over that

1723
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,480
strips of fly tape covered and dead

1724
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,800
flies hanging from above like hellish

1725
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:00,960
party streamers and when you left the

1726
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,840
kitchen it was ankle deep garbage lining

1727
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,000
the halls leading to bedrooms that were

1728
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,480
just piled high with more grime and

1729
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:10,800
clutter and still more anunnaki and

1730
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:13,920
demon imagery everywhere and so it was

1731
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,440
it was just really disturbing to say the

1732
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,600
least but he was arrested and charged

1733
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,679
with first-degree murder um he and his

1734
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,600
girlfriend and the female friend were

1735
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,920
they were all charged with various uh

1736
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:25,360
you know charges but

1737
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:27,760
uh about three in the morning some days

1738
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,880
after

1739
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:30,880
the guards at the prison where he was in

1740
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,960
raleigh found him in a pool of his own

1741
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,480
blood in his cell

1742
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,239
and the autopsy report showed he had cut

1743
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,080
his left arm on the inside of his elbow

1744
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,719
like he was trying to cut his arm off

1745
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:42,560
the the report said he had perforated

1746
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,719
his left brachial artery which was most

1747
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:46,960
likely what caused him to just bleed out

1748
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:49,760
but aside from that he had many deep

1749
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,640
scratches on his chest arm and scalp and

1750
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:55,440
even rib fractures although he was alone

1751
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:58,560
in a cell and the autopsy couldn't truly

1752
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:01,360
determine how he got those wounds they

1753
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:03,760
just knew that you know he bled out and

1754
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:04,480
so

1755
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:06,080
they ruled it a suicide because they

1756
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,760
really just had no other way to rule it

1757
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,679
but before that he had

1758
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:11,760
begged his psychiatrist to let him

1759
01:11:16,950 --> 01:11:14,080
perform this so-called black moon ritual

1760
01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:16,960
to pazuzu fearing that if he didn't he

1761
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,800
would anger pazuzu

1762
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:21,120
and then eventually you know be killed

1763
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,520
by pazuzu even his own mother had warned

1764
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:26,159
the police and begged them to you know

1765
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:29,040
help his her son because he

1766
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,640
she really feared that if he wasn't able

1767
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,640
to do this that he may in fact kill

1768
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,320
himself it was so important to him to do

1769
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:36,640
this ritual and so i started looking at

1770
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,800
this this tragic tragic case and i

1771
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,400
thought you know could

1772
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,320
could the pazuzu demon

1773
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:44,000
could it have been behind these murders

1774
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:46,080
as silly as that may sound right right

1775
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,679
you know i mean clearly he was

1776
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,199
responsible for the death of these

1777
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:51,920
people but i sort of thought about his

1778
01:11:56,390 --> 01:11:54,320
professed inspiration which was pazuzu

1779
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,400
he said it inspired him and i thought

1780
01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,320
well what he you know he wasn't

1781
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,880
possessed but he was inspired and so i

1782
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,880
really thought about the etymology of of

1783
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,040
inspiration and it comes from the latin

1784
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:07,600
inspirare meaning to breathe or blow

1785
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:08,480
into

1786
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:10,800
and it was originally used to describe

1787
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:13,440
when a supernatural being imparts an

1788
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,560
idea onto someone so i thought well what

1789
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,800
is possession then but maybe an evil

1790
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,159
entity

1791
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,560
blowing an idea into somebody or maybe

1792
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,000
it going too far and eventually

1793
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:26,960
inhabiting a willing person to encourage

1794
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,199
them to do these evil things and so you

1795
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,360
know i thought were these criminals just

1796
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:33,840
psychologically disturbed or maybe the

1797
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,880
pazuzu spirit found willing avatars to

1798
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:39,040
carry out these deeds so it's just a

1799
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:40,480
thing i kicked around for a little bit

1800
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:41,600
and thought

1801
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,800
i think i need to look into this a

1802
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,480
little further sort of the origin of

1803
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,320
demons and what role they may have

1804
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:49,280
played in ancient civilizations and and

1805
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,400
sort of what

1806
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:53,199
role do they play now if any

1807
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,560
that's what made me write the book

1808
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:57,120
essentially was the exorcist exactly

1809
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:01,280
exactly see this is uh listening to that

1810
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:04,239
you know we're talking about a modern

1811
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:06,080
situation where we think all of this

1812
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:07,920
stuff is in the past right it's it's

1813
01:13:12,510 --> 01:13:10,400
it's it it was a different era when this

1814
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:12,520
kind of stuff went down clearly this was

1815
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,840
2014. but let me ask you this let's

1816
01:13:19,830 --> 01:13:18,239
let's suppose something here how do you

1817
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:19,840
get rid of

1818
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,400
his story right you don't want a public

1819
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,239
you don't want that coming to a theater

1820
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:26,000
near you you don't want other people to

1821
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:29,679
be inspired by by what he had done

1822
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,520
and so do we bury it do we bury his body

1823
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,560
do his house do we tear it do we

1824
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:38,719
you know what i mean do we hide

1825
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:40,719
all of the evidence you know buried in

1826
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:44,320
the ground burn it um and get rid of it

1827
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:47,920
like they did in the past when something

1828
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:50,640
like this happened uh when they thought

1829
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,080
that the the local village girl or or

1830
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,960
boy was possessed by what did they do

1831
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:59,120
right they would

1832
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,400
is is

1833
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,000
has this been going on throughout

1834
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:04,320
history this is exactly

1835
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:06,800
uh what you wrote about in the book

1836
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,440
yes that that is they

1837
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,040
they would do that they didn't want to

1838
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:13,360
have other people be inspired i think

1839
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:14,800
really that does come down to that so

1840
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,840
like copycat killer or or anything but

1841
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,120
uh they

1842
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:20,640
maybe they thought of it in those terms

1843
01:14:24,470 --> 01:14:22,159
or maybe they actually thought of it in

1844
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,480
the terms of spirit possession right

1845
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:26,159
it's really hard to say

1846
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:28,080
but that's that's one of these blurry

1847
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,840
lines where it's like well it may be

1848
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:31,679
about semantics at the end of the day

1849
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,480
but

1850
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,840
i think

1851
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:35,760
it really does have real

1852
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,400
consequences for people this idea of

1853
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:40,239
evil and demons and spirits and these

1854
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,840
sorts of things so i mean if you were to

1855
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:43,920
ask the mother of the victims in north

1856
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:45,920
carolina they would they would probably

1857
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,239
have a far different answer but so what

1858
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,400
how real is real what is it what does it

1859
01:14:54,070 --> 01:14:52,320
take to make something you know real

1860
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:54,080
that way and so all throughout history

1861
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:56,880
we've had examples of of

1862
01:15:02,870 --> 01:14:59,360
cultures having this relationship with

1863
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,880
with demons in some way and and it goes

1864
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:05,280
very far back i mean in the book i

1865
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:06,800
discuss the

1866
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:09,920
prehistoric idea of demons so we have a

1867
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:12,719
lot of evidence to suggest that even

1868
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:15,920
prehistoric shamans were doing exorcisms

1869
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:17,920
in the form of trepening or drilling a

1870
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:20,080
hole in somebody's head and so we have

1871
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:21,760
this idea that there are these spirits

1872
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,320
in the head and we need to get them out

1873
01:15:27,750 --> 01:15:26,480
and so you know you see that but that's

1874
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,760
again you know with archaeology

1875
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:29,199
everything's ritual and everything sort

1876
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,600
of conjecture that way so but it but we

1877
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:34,320
do then have at least in the sumerian

1878
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:35,360
records

1879
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:36,640
um you know

1880
01:15:44,070 --> 01:15:39,600
clear evidence some of the best evidence

1881
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,080
of exorcism so indeed so we have going

1882
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:46,560
4 000 years ago we have sumerian

1883
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,280
cuneiform tablets that outline

1884
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:51,120
just line by line what an exorcism is

1885
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:52,960
supposed to look like and they appear

1886
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:55,280
these these rights appear very similar

1887
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,719
to those of the catholic church or

1888
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:58,400
something we recognize today in pop

1889
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,679
culture

1890
01:16:01,669 --> 01:16:00,880
and so

1891
01:16:02,709 --> 01:16:01,679
in

1892
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:02,719
sumer

1893
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,159
they had scribes and a university system

1894
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,560
in a way they were very advanced and

1895
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:10,480
they had an advanced system of training

1896
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,120
professionals and so because of that

1897
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,840
they had textbooks and as a result of

1898
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,840
that we know what they taught them so

1899
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,440
there's still these textbooks available

1900
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:21,600
they're in tablet form of course but we

1901
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:22,480
have

1902
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:23,920
many many things to look at to

1903
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,360
understand what it was that they were

1904
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,120
teaching their their physicians at the

1905
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:29,520
time their physicians their medical

1906
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,080
physicians were being taught exorcisms

1907
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,080
they didn't sort of separate the body

1908
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:35,760
and mind back then it was sort of just

1909
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:38,480
one so it was the job of the doctor to

1910
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:41,600
also do the exorcisms and so the roughly

1911
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:44,159
right now of the roughly 1000 cuneiform

1912
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:46,480
tablets held by the british museum of

1913
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:49,679
these medical texts 660 of them

1914
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,480
specifically reference exorcism exorcism

1915
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:55,040
in a recognizable way so

1916
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:58,080
we we can see all sorts of things that

1917
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,199
you know

1918
01:17:03,669 --> 01:17:01,679
it goes it's just part of our human

1919
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,679
experience and it has taken many

1920
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:05,280
different shapes and forms and in some

1921
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,280
ways it would be recognizable in some

1922
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:09,280
ways not but

1923
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:11,360
definitely the sumerian exorcisms i i

1924
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,480
believe were

1925
01:17:16,709 --> 01:17:14,640
a big inspiration for the the way that

1926
01:17:19,110 --> 01:17:16,719
we look at exorcisms today

1927
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:19,120
and also medicine in some ways one of

1928
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,679
the reasons that they at the priests and

1929
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:23,840
popular culture are all actually just in

1930
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:25,840
the catholic rite of exorcism and many

1931
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,080
others that you would demand to know the

1932
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,239
name of the demon that actually comes

1933
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,560
from the sumerian text as well in the

1934
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:34,560
sumerian text it instructed the

1935
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,800
physicians to demand to know the name of

1936
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,480
the demon try to figure it out it was so

1937
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:40,320
important because essentially the name

1938
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,199
of the demon was the diagnosis because

1939
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:45,440
today we'd say cancer they would say oh

1940
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:47,040
well that's you have a case of pazuzu

1941
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,320
right you know and so they would know

1942
01:17:52,390 --> 01:17:50,719
then how to cure it from from that and

1943
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:52,400
it wasn't and the demons weren't always

1944
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,760
bad they were sort of they were bad and

1945
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,280
possibly good or at least they could be

1946
01:18:02,470 --> 01:17:59,520
used for good again with the case of

1947
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,480
pazuzu which you know we see his his

1948
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:05,120
imagery a lot because there were so many

1949
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:07,199
artifacts of pazuzu dug up because

1950
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:08,640
people actually wanted to have these

1951
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,600
amulets so you wouldn't want anything to

1952
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:13,199
do with puzuzu he's very scary but if

1953
01:18:17,990 --> 01:18:15,520
you're a pregnant woman or a new mother

1954
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,000
you would actually want to have a pazuzu

1955
01:18:22,950 --> 01:18:20,640
amulet or even a plaque beside your bed

1956
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:22,960
or by your baby's bed to protect you

1957
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:26,320
from pazuzu's angry jealous and barren

1958
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:29,600
wife lamashtu who was known to go and

1959
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:32,320
cause miscarriage and sudden infant

1960
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,320
death and so what you'd do is you'd make

1961
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,480
sure that the husband fazuzi was around

1962
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:39,040
so that he would literally whip his wife

1963
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:40,560
into submission and so there's

1964
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:42,159
depictions of this one of which is

1965
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,120
called the

1966
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:44,960
they call it the hell plaque it's at the

1967
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:47,520
paris museum and um

1968
01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:49,440
it shows this whole exorcism scene and

1969
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:51,920
in the underworld you see the la mash

1970
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,120
tube kind of going to get the the infant

1971
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:57,440
and then you see pazuzu behind whipping

1972
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,920
early get away get away demons so

1973
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,000
yeah it's a they had a very

1974
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,080
complex relationship with these entities

1975
01:19:09,270 --> 01:19:05,679
it wasn't all

1976
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:09,280
bad well i want to i want to uh well

1977
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:10,800
i've got two questions but the first

1978
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,840
thing

1979
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,719
uh

1980
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:15,040
i i want to get to

1981
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:16,000
the

1982
01:19:25,030 --> 01:19:21,600
that is a pretty fascinating thing but

1983
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:25,040
before i get to that would you

1984
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:27,679
would you have a pazuzu amulet an

1985
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,400
original in your own home

1986
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,000
i mean is that just like

1987
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,239
you know what i mean is that just

1988
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,800
is that asking for for trouble

1989
01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:38,880
or or or not

1990
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:41,280
you know that's a

1991
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:43,040
that's a really great question i think

1992
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:44,880
before i wrote this book i'd say yeah

1993
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,360
why not you know because i'm not really

1994
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:49,440
that superstitious

1995
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,600
but i think after

1996
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:53,520
writing the book and not not necessarily

1997
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:56,000
because of what i i researched but

1998
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:57,920
because of my experiences and some of

1999
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,560
the conversations i had with people um

2000
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,960
while writing this book that maybe maybe

2001
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:04,480
there is some truth to some of these

2002
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:05,840
things being

2003
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,800
bad juju around you or something but um

2004
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,560
even if it's just something of a

2005
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,239
subconscious nature where you're you

2006
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:14,320
know imprinting that out there i'm not

2007
01:20:18,630 --> 01:20:17,360
really sure but um yeah i don't think i

2008
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:18,640
would want to have it sitting around

2009
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,560
looking at me although i don't know that

2010
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,000
i could say that i have a very good

2011
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,000
scientific reason for that but at this

2012
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,600
point yeah i wouldn't want it looking at

2013
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:28,400
me you're you're on a dig in in israel

2014
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:29,840
right and

2015
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,560
and you're there and and you you you

2016
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,320
unearth one of these and

2017
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,719
the guy from the smithsonian or for

2018
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,400
harvard or whoever who's running the

2019
01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:40,880
dead comes up you know what

2020
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,640
keep it

2021
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:44,239
d

2022
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:47,840
i mean you know what i mean some 2 000 3

2023
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:50,239
000 year old and you don't know where

2024
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:51,440
it's been

2025
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:55,120
to zuzu uh necklace or statue

2026
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,199
do you take that home i would i you know

2027
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,440
what i just wouldn't i i think i would

2028
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:00,880
uh

2029
01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:03,280
yeah i don't think i would do you know

2030
01:21:06,070 --> 01:21:05,199
ethics aside i don't think i would want

2031
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,080
to

2032
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:08,320
do that i mean just

2033
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:09,920
yeah because you just never know right

2034
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:11,679
you never know i wouldn't want to hedge

2035
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,120
my bad so i just i don't think i would i

2036
01:21:16,709 --> 01:21:14,960
don't think i would yeah yeah

2037
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:16,719
with that you know i've seen the

2038
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:19,280
exorcist okay now

2039
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:21,600
when we're talking about some of this

2040
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,960
ritual stuff um one of the

2041
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:26,159
uh

2042
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:27,520
i mean there's so many different

2043
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:29,600
examples in this book that cause your

2044
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:33,199
imagination to wander um and

2045
01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:34,239
what

2046
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:36,640
the the village in germany

2047
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:40,080
how six thousand years old right

2048
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:41,199
the um

2049
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,400
yeah

2050
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:45,199
and and that okay this is i want to

2051
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,360
discuss this for a second but i want to

2052
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:49,679
get to the end of the village first and

2053
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,199
i want everybody to understand what

2054
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:52,880
we're talking about

2055
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:56,000
um it appears that if my memory is right

2056
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:58,080
from reading the book that the village

2057
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:02,400
was only there for 50 years

2058
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:03,199
right

2059
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,639
and and that

2060
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,360
everybody around europe so many

2061
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:09,440
thousands of years ago

2062
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,159
was going there for some type of ritual

2063
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:17,199
and a lot of crazy stuff went down in

2064
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,880
this village

2065
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,120
when as an archaeologist when you start

2066
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:23,280
to unearth these things

2067
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,719
the story starts to tell itself and you

2068
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:28,320
now reveal

2069
01:22:33,270 --> 01:22:31,360
a pretty dark side to this village tell

2070
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,280
us about it

2071
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:35,520
yeah i mean this is

2072
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,719
there's so many examples um of this

2073
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,159
happening

2074
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:42,159
it's it's really quite weird i mean we

2075
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,920
get a lot of times where we talk about

2076
01:22:47,189 --> 01:22:45,920
haunted places and i think i sort of

2077
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,199
cover that in the book a little bit but

2078
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:48,880
a lot of times we think of them as just

2079
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:52,080
haunted houses or or what have you but

2080
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,840
um there's a a lot of strange places not

2081
01:23:01,590 --> 01:22:58,080
just houses and and so this would this

2082
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,600
would be an example of how the

2083
01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,000
oh did we lose you

2084
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,199
did you hear that clunk

2085
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:10,080
okay heather if you can hear me i heard

2086
01:23:16,629 --> 01:23:14,000
your microphone go clunk

2087
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:16,639
that was uh see i knew it you start

2088
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,510
and it happened at the break here so let

2089
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,679
me see if i can uh get heather back

2090
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,280
right before the break

2091
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:29,440
but uh yeah i heard it go clunk

2092
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:31,120
something happened

2093
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:34,000
i thought it was me but i wasn't moving

2094
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:35,840
okay all right

2095
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:38,880
uh let's see here hold on

2096
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:42,159
he's leaving no no she is not there that

2097
01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:44,800
is absolutely bizarre

2098
01:23:49,990 --> 01:23:46,840
you heard it didn't you

2099
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,000
clunk that sounded like uh

2100
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:52,719
something um

2101
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,719
something sinister went down uh

2102
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:58,480
her studio

2103
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,000
okay i'll try to

2104
01:24:03,270 --> 01:24:02,159
okay what happened hello are you there

2105
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,280
what happened

2106
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:04,960
i don't know that sounds like we're

2107
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,639
talking about a neolithic massacre

2108
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,800
that was crazy it sounded it sounded

2109
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,880
poltergeist-ish it sounded like

2110
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:14,880
something fell over

2111
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:17,600
oh wow now that it was nice and

2112
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,960
calm here

2113
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,639
that was cool yeah

2114
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:22,320
it's my mind getting taken i know i

2115
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,920
heard a kerplunk

2116
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:25,840
yeah somebody just said that's spooky

2117
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,639
i'm watching uh everybody of course you

2118
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:30,080
know you gotta love it you talk about

2119
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:32,639
this scary stuff that happens

2120
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,920
on live radio okay

2121
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,520
we're gonna be going into a break here

2122
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:39,760
but uh so we'll set this up for when we

2123
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,520
come back um and that is the what got

2124
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:45,120
unraveled at what was the name of the

2125
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:47,040
village

2126
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:48,000
it was

2127
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:51,040
herxheim germany herxheim germany

2128
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:53,920
as they start to unearth this

2129
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:57,520
it was like one of the darkest

2130
01:25:02,390 --> 01:24:59,840
stories that you could ever imagine that

2131
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:02,400
was unfolding for an archaeologist or an

2132
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:04,560
anthropologist right

2133
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:07,679
i think it's probably up there yeah

2134
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:10,159
well see okay all right

2135
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:11,600
we're going to talk about this when we

2136
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:12,639
come back

2137
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:15,440
but there was one

2138
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:19,360
point to this story where i went ew

2139
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:22,320
and that was the vertebrae

2140
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:26,159
right and now when we are uh vertebrate

2141
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:28,560
to me just looks scary

2142
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:29,440
right

2143
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:32,080
they there's something

2144
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:33,360
and and

2145
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:34,239
what

2146
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:36,400
was dug up out of the ground there when

2147
01:25:41,350 --> 01:25:38,320
it came to the vertebrae

2148
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:41,360
now we have to figure out what actually

2149
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,239
is going on and now i know the audience

2150
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,400
is tripping right now heather

2151
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,560
we're going to tell you everything when

2152
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:50,719
we come back after this short break stay

2153
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,400
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book evil archaeology we'll be right

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heather and i are texting during the

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oh man heather uh you left twitter

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um

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yes i i knew i did you know since we're

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talking about evil archaeology i got the

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evil laugh right there

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and and you left twitter and see this is

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the thing

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um i i wish you wouldn't have loved

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twitter but when you are out there

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pushing

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you

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i

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was a

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know i know i know it just tells you

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that you're doing the right thing and

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i don't know because it wasn't really

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about archaeology at all it was it was

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about a crazy person

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a great a crazy crazy person

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okay

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yeah i actually thought about posting

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about it on my blog and i thought you

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know i'm just gonna leave it be and just

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not put the negativity out there and

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just you know maybe just get off twitter

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but maybe i'll get back on twitter maybe

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i'll just maybe i will maybe that's what

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i'll do yeah yeah you should look

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just block

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and uh and then and they eventually go

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away um now uh this uh this village uh

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herxheim

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uh when

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about yourself specifically you know

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you're out doing a dig and you start to

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see the picture getting painted right

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and and in the situation with her time

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which turned out to be

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one of the because this is the neolithic

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period this is a long time ago

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where you wouldn't think that this type

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of organization uh organization of the

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uh the rituals apparently that were

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going down there

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uh wouldn't be happening but they

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clearly were and you start to see the

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story unfold

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and the story of

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of herxheim is about as crazy as it gets

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and we we you know

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we just don't think that things like

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this went on in the past

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01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:21,679
yeah i mean that's

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some people call it the noble savage you

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know that's like an old idea in

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01:34:30,310 --> 01:34:27,520
anthropology that you know when you have

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villages or maybe just long time ago

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neolithic people that they were maybe

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more peaceful or you know you have ideas

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sometimes that they were living in

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nature and sometimes we have a tendency

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to romanticize it and then when you come

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across sort of

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these sites and it's like wake-up call

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it wasn't they weren't all that nice

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after all maybe but in this town in

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germany there was a team of european

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01:34:56,629 --> 01:34:53,360
archaeologists that you know started

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01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:56,639
excavating a massive bone pit and um you

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know i mean it could have been an

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accident i mean it's not really unusual

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to find a lot of bones in one location

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but what they started to find was that

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there were it was it was clear evidence

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that these bones had been

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well

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cannibalized they were people had been

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eaten so

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they they you could tell right away in

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01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:21,120
it from the scratches and this great

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01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:22,960
marks that they were consistent with

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meat removal and in addition to that

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because some people can also you know

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argue in which they have saying well no

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that you know those were just

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coincidental although i mean it's very

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clear aside from that if that weren't

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01:35:38,790 --> 01:35:35,840
enough some of the bones were charred

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01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:38,800
and so you know they had vertebrae as

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01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:41,120
you mentioned and long bones fractured

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01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:44,400
so that the prehistoric human fingers

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01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,760
probed inside to extract the uh marrow

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01:35:51,110 --> 01:35:49,440
you could just tell that these

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prehistoric people were they were

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feasting and this was this was a big

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01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:56,400
bone pit of human remains

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and so this was no accident

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01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:00,000
and uh

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01:36:03,750 --> 01:36:02,400
you know it it was pretty clear but the

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01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:03,760
mass grave

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01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:06,719
i mean this was like 7 000 years ago

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01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:09,360
in germany and that's true that's that's

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01:36:13,110 --> 01:36:11,440
the definition of evil

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01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,120
archaeology right there that's not

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01:36:18,709 --> 01:36:15,679
spooky archaeology

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01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:18,719
that's evil archaeology because now you

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01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:21,120
are forced as an archaeologist and

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01:36:25,110 --> 01:36:22,239
you're

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01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:25,120
sitting there uh having to put the

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01:36:29,110 --> 01:36:27,360
history together what's going through

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01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,120
your mind well the same thing that went

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01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:31,360
through my mind which is

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01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:34,159
the the members of this village sitting

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01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:36,840
around poking their fingers through

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01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:40,000
vertebrae and getting the marrow out

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01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:41,840
around a campfire

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01:36:45,830 --> 01:36:43,360
and feasting

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01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:45,840
chicken wings or something right

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01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:47,199
going to be dubs and getting some

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01:36:52,470 --> 01:36:50,239
vertebrae right yes yes

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01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,480
yes that's exactly

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01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,800
that's exactly what was going on

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01:36:57,430 --> 01:36:56,000
it's terrible to laugh but i mean this

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01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:57,440
is seven thousand

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01:37:02,310 --> 01:36:59,760
thousand years ago so you know

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01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,320
too soon no but the um

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01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:04,000
yeah i mean this was something that you

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01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:06,159
could now if you were to find this you

2394
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:08,000
could start to think of a

2395
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:09,920
number of different hypotheses so you

2396
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:13,040
could say well they were starving i mean

2397
01:37:17,270 --> 01:37:15,119
obviously the donner party and i mean

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01:37:19,270 --> 01:37:17,280
this happens even now where people are

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01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:19,280
in a very stressful situation and they

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they have to do what they have to do to

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survive then perhaps it was due to

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01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,320
survival but in this particular case it

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01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,480
actually appeared that the neolithic

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01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:30,719
farmers in central europe i mean these

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01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:33,840
were farmers this was this neolithic era

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01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:36,880
that they were engaging in regular acts

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01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:39,760
of cannibalism in a systematic way

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01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:42,480
and so what you see is at least i mean

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01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:45,199
when i say bone pit i'm it it might seem

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01:37:48,550 --> 01:37:46,639
like well you know maybe a good good

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01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:48,560
amount of bones there you know but just

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01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:50,800
to give you an idea of how many bones

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01:37:53,990 --> 01:37:52,960
it would it would be the bones butchered

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01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:54,000
bones

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01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:57,040
of at least 500 people

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01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:00,800
and this is this is the closer for this

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01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:05,360
is that going through the dna of these

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01:38:09,270 --> 01:38:06,639
uh

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01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,280
cannibalized bones cooked bones

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01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:11,520
they came from all over europe they

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01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:14,960
weren't just from germany which says to

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01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,000
me and and to the historians

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01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:20,719
that people were traveling

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01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,239
to this village for these rituals

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01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,080
yeah some of them as far away as as

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01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:28,159
northwest france

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01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:29,600
oh man

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01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:33,760
and and and and then it all stopped

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01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:36,719
the village was only around for about 50

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01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:38,159
years

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01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:39,119
yeah

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01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:42,560
amazing because

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01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,639
some people said well maybe these were

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01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:46,639
sick people or maybe they weren't maybe

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01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,400
maybe this was stuff that happened after

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01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:50,719
they had died and i don't know why but

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01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,000
you know there's a lot of people trying

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01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:53,760
to make excuses for this horrific fine

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01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,480
but

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01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,639
none of the bones showed any signs of

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01:39:01,590 --> 01:38:59,119
malnutrition or poor health or injury or

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01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:01,600
or anything like that and in fact some

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01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:04,480
of the bones were from babies

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01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,440
and unborn fetuses

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01:39:11,750 --> 01:39:09,520
and old women

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01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:11,760
women men everybody if they didn't

2447
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:13,280
discriminate it was just

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01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:14,639
let's eat them all

2449
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:19,669
specifically though you can tell from

2450
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:22,480
the marks on the bones that uh you know

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01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,320
in addition to being

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01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:27,119
carved and charred they had been put on

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01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,719
skewers

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01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:29,920
oh man

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01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:31,520
so i mean they were making a real thing

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01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,880
of this this was

2457
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:34,480
you know some people may say this was a

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01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,639
religious thing maybe they were walking

2459
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,719
this this you know many hundreds of

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01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,400
miles to get to

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01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,199
this uh this village to do this but

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01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:44,960
we really have no way of knowing but all

2463
01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,400
we do know is that

2464
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:48,320
this was a

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01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,080
very gruesome find

2466
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,719
now when we talk about uh

2467
01:39:57,510 --> 01:39:54,960
sinister relics uh you know i brought up

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01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:57,520
the omen and the exorcist earlier and i

2469
01:40:02,790 --> 01:39:59,520
was trying somebody posted the name of

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01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:02,800
the daggers that were unearthed at uh

2471
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:05,199
uh in the omen i don't know how to say

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01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:06,480
it is it

2473
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:07,679
megiddo

2474
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:13,040
is is is this something that happens

2475
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:14,239
often

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01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,600
where an archaeological dig and and

2477
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:19,760
relics of this kind are are actually

2478
01:40:23,910 --> 01:40:22,000
unearthed

2479
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:23,920
well um

2480
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,320
i don't know that it's that common i

2481
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,239
wouldn't say that it's

2482
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:30,719
common i mean but then again

2483
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:32,000
we don't really know what they dig up

2484
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:33,440
now do we

2485
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:35,040
they're not very transparent about those

2486
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:38,000
things and and so um how do we know

2487
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,920
really what would be a sinister relic um

2488
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:43,679
unless we understood completely that oh

2489
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,639
this is a

2490
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:46,800
maybe a pazuzu statuette or something to

2491
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,119
that effect but um

2492
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:50,560
unless you know what you're looking for

2493
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:52,239
unless you're specifically out there

2494
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,159
commissioning these digs looking for

2495
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:56,560
particular items that you think have

2496
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:58,960
occult value which you know has been

2497
01:41:03,430 --> 01:41:00,880
done

2498
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:03,440
so what is the definition of a sinister

2499
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,800
relic

2500
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:07,119
oh something sinister would be just

2501
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:09,920
foreboding or something that maybe

2502
01:41:13,830 --> 01:41:12,320
would scare the archaeologist or scare a

2503
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:13,840
person who looked at it something that

2504
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:15,920
would be so frightening that maybe they

2505
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,320
felt they had to rebury it which was

2506
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:20,480
actually the case um

2507
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:22,639
you know with one aztec artifact in

2508
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:24,880
particular it was uh

2509
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:27,440
just a goddess statue that it was quite

2510
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,719
large about nine feet that uh was just

2511
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,800
so frightening to the archaeologist they

2512
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,560
felt they needed to just go ahead and

2513
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:36,560
rebury it and never look at it again

2514
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:38,239
which is actually a good fate for it

2515
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:40,080
because they ended up being able to

2516
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,560
excavate it again and now it's in the

2517
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:44,880
museum in in mexico city

2518
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,679
whereas other examples of archaeologists

2519
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:49,760
being a little too scared to excavate

2520
01:41:52,870 --> 01:41:51,040
something or to bring it back they would

2521
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,880
just simply destroy it

2522
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:54,400
and so then we have some lost history

2523
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:57,600
there out of people being afraid but

2524
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:59,040
you know that's

2525
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:00,639
that's what happened a lot especially

2526
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,440
when you have a christian uh sort of

2527
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,760
you know coming into the new world

2528
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,600
situation where they brought their

2529
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,440
christian ideas of what demons were and

2530
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,520
they saw these pagan gods and and they

2531
01:42:16,070 --> 01:42:13,520
said well these things are definitely

2532
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:16,080
demons and so they they demonize these

2533
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:18,960
pagan deities and and uh would sometimes

2534
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:22,400
destroy them or to face the art um you

2535
01:42:24,790 --> 01:42:23,679
know thinking they were doing something

2536
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:24,800
holy or

2537
01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:26,480
you know so but i think that was

2538
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:28,880
definitely based in fear as well

2539
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,040
and then we have uh

2540
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:33,199
i actually want to stay

2541
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:34,880
right here for a second because when you

2542
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:36,000
have

2543
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:36,960
uh

2544
01:42:46,229 --> 01:42:43,750
how do i want to say this where the the

2545
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:46,239
body specifically

2546
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,679
was buried

2547
01:42:52,790 --> 01:42:50,400
uh because of bad things whether

2548
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:52,800
uh it was facing the wrong way it was

2549
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,600
decapitated arms are cut off you know a

2550
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:57,520
buried with a child

2551
01:43:02,709 --> 01:43:00,639
um and there is there was a reason for

2552
01:43:04,149 --> 01:43:02,719
doing that and as an archaeologist when

2553
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,159
you see that

2554
01:43:08,629 --> 01:43:06,960
um how do you react to it and how do you

2555
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:08,639
figure out

2556
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:13,119
why this happened to this individual

2557
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:14,400
well there's a

2558
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:16,960
there's a lot of pre-existing

2559
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:18,560
sort of explanations for that in the

2560
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:19,920
literature so if you would find

2561
01:43:24,149 --> 01:43:22,320
something like um you know

2562
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:24,159
well some of it not but some of the more

2563
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:25,360
basic ones

2564
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:27,679
would be like the vampire burials

2565
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:30,080
something where you know you'll find uh

2566
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:32,480
a brick or something put into the mouth

2567
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:33,679
or something you need to stake through

2568
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:35,600
the heart those sorts of things those

2569
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,239
would be clear indicators that the

2570
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,480
person who was buried there they didn't

2571
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,360
want them to come back you know so so

2572
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,840
there's that but then sometimes you get

2573
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,520
um yeah well then you have the

2574
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:49,600
historical record you have to think of

2575
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,119
like the case with the severed hands um

2576
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:55,600
in egypt they found a pit of severed

2577
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:57,600
right hands that's all it was just

2578
01:44:02,310 --> 01:43:59,679
severed right hands not left there were

2579
01:44:03,830 --> 01:44:02,320
no feet it was nothing like that and so

2580
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,840
at first it would that you would think

2581
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,520
well what is this you know of course

2582
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:07,360
you're gonna say ritual because that's

2583
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:09,440
you know what archaeologists often do

2584
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,320
but um in all seriousness it was uh

2585
01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:14,320
you know because of

2586
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:16,880
historical literature so say

2587
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:20,000
hieroglyphs uh biblical verses even who

2588
01:44:24,470 --> 01:44:21,920
that depicted warriors cutting off the

2589
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,480
hands of their opponents that they you

2590
01:44:29,510 --> 01:44:27,360
know had defeated um egyptian lore

2591
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,520
describes the practice as proof of an

2592
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,239
enemy's defeat with a severed hand

2593
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,719
exchanged uh like it would be

2594
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:36,639
for gold so it's like proof that you

2595
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:38,320
killed the person and so you know

2596
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,280
there's all these different things so

2597
01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:41,760
you'd have to sort of look at that in in

2598
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:43,360
the context and then

2599
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:45,440
see if there was any other data that you

2600
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,040
could get and so you really have to take

2601
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,679
it as a case-by-case basis and then

2602
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:51,920
there's some i think i just posted one

2603
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,080
on my facebook um

2604
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:56,159
i think earlier today that was a new

2605
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:58,560
thing that popped up that was

2606
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:01,119
quite creepy actually they find these

2607
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,880
things called coffin births it's where

2608
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:07,199
you find a woman who you know clearly

2609
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:08,000
dead

2610
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,000
but then you find that it looks as

2611
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,639
though she had given birth after she was

2612
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,199
dead and so they call it the you know

2613
01:45:18,870 --> 01:45:16,880
coffin birth so these women are giving

2614
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:18,880
birth even after they're dead and so

2615
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:20,800
what you find in that situation though

2616
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:21,679
is uh

2617
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:22,960
is you know

2618
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:25,360
one explanation

2619
01:45:29,350 --> 01:45:27,119
hold on a minute here

2620
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:29,360
hold on a minute

2621
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:31,360
wait a minute

2622
01:45:39,830 --> 01:45:36,870
post-mortem fetal extrusion

2623
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:39,840
also known as coffin birth in

2624
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:42,800
in the ground in the ground

2625
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,679
so

2626
01:45:48,229 --> 01:45:45,840
what what it is though and and of course

2627
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:48,239
this would have scared ancient people

2628
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:51,760
to death to death um but

2629
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,679
now we sort of have an idea now this is

2630
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:55,360
also just a theory let me just put that

2631
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,760
out there but the theory is that it's

2632
01:46:02,950 --> 01:45:59,280
due to a natural process of

2633
01:46:05,350 --> 01:46:02,960
decomposition so it's the pressure

2634
01:46:07,350 --> 01:46:05,360
from gas during composition that builds

2635
01:46:08,870 --> 01:46:07,360
up in the womb and you know fair warning

2636
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:08,880
you know this can get a little graphic

2637
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:10,880
but the decomposition it builds up in

2638
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:12,480
the womb and it will cause so much

2639
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,360
pressure that it then just explodes and

2640
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,520
it blows a hole right through the uterus

2641
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:19,600
and into the vagina and it forces the

2642
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,400
fetus out of the body and it results in

2643
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:24,480
what looks to be that the corpse of a

2644
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:27,199
pregnant woman gives birth after death

2645
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,360
and so you see that now is there a

2646
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:30,960
possibility

2647
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:33,600
i've got to ask the obvious question

2648
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:41,189
i would say probably not because i mean

2649
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:44,239
by the time the uh body would decompose

2650
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:46,320
to the to the level that you know would

2651
01:46:50,310 --> 01:46:47,920
have this gas the

2652
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,320
nutrient and oxygen supply to the baby

2653
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:52,080
would have been cut off if the mother's

2654
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:53,360
dead and then you know there's the

2655
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:55,280
placenta and the blood you know flowing

2656
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:58,239
to give oxygen to the baby um it

2657
01:47:02,629 --> 01:46:59,760
wouldn't have long before it would die

2658
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,639
so i would say thankfully that by the

2659
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:04,400
time the you know

2660
01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:06,320
decomposing body gets to that point

2661
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:07,920
where it's going to just blow the fetus

2662
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:10,719
out that the fetus was already dead but

2663
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:12,960
in this particular recent case in italy

2664
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:14,960
the woman had also been treated with uh

2665
01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:17,520
trepination um the drilling the hole in

2666
01:47:22,750 --> 01:47:19,920
the head so that what they believe is

2667
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:22,760
the she was suffering from sort of a

2668
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,400
preeclampsia or some sort of

2669
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:26,639
hypertensive disorder and so they maybe

2670
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:28,239
were trying to help her by drilling the

2671
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:29,600
hole in her head that didn't work and

2672
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:31,760
she just ends up dying and then

2673
01:47:36,950 --> 01:47:34,400
you know blasts the baby out in the

2674
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:36,960
post-mortem so yeah i mean that would be

2675
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,600
considered um another i guess a

2676
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:41,520
horrific archaeological discovery but

2677
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:43,119
again if you come across that it would

2678
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:44,800
look really weird but if you sort of

2679
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:46,880
know that there's such a thing as you

2680
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,560
know post-mortem fetal

2681
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:51,040
extrusion then you could say ah okay

2682
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:53,280
this looks to be one of those cases and

2683
01:47:56,590 --> 01:47:54,639
so each thing you have to sort of take

2684
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:56,600
as a case by case and then that's where

2685
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:58,800
osteoarchaeology comes into play you

2686
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:01,119
really have to know the bones and be

2687
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,119
able to look at it that way but now it

2688
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:05,920
also reminds me a little bit off subject

2689
01:48:10,149 --> 01:48:08,960
but in uh in the past where they would

2690
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:10,159
have

2691
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:12,000
uh a bell

2692
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:14,159
right above the grave

2693
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:17,199
with a string going down into the coffin

2694
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:19,840
just in case somebody wasn't really dead

2695
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,159
dead they could ring the bell

2696
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:24,639
hence the term dead ringer dead ringer

2697
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:25,760
right

2698
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:28,080
yeah and and then there was andy and

2699
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:30,400
this is another little uh little blurb

2700
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,360
in the book that that also caught my eye

2701
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,080
about having to go out and

2702
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:38,639
and check on people that were buried to

2703
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:41,360
make sure that they were still dead

2704
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:43,760
yeah yeah because they they didn't have

2705
01:48:47,990 --> 01:48:45,280
um

2706
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:48,000
you know a really good corner back then

2707
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:49,840
so you know you could be maybe just

2708
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,760
passed out or sometimes sadly really

2709
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:54,000
drunk you might have just drank yourself

2710
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:55,920
into you know oblivion and then oh i

2711
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:56,719
guess

2712
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:58,400
poor uncle joe's just

2713
01:49:02,229 --> 01:49:00,320
down for the count and go through the

2714
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:02,239
burial and everything and nope guess he

2715
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:03,840
was alive after all it happened more

2716
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:06,560
often than than you'd think so yeah they

2717
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,159
would do that yeah i i i want to

2718
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:11,760
want to get over this is why everybody

2719
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:14,320
should get the book i mean it is full of

2720
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:17,520
i had said to uh heather earlier today

2721
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,080
all i did was let my mind just went i

2722
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:24,800
was painting all of these vivid uh

2723
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:27,040
pictures in in my mind as i'm i'm

2724
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:28,719
reading the book it was just so much fun

2725
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,119
to do in a in a weird way

2726
01:49:36,229 --> 01:49:33,760
um and and it's great and so

2727
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:36,239
uh is is vampires

2728
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:38,239
what would you think of the um the

2729
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:40,840
mesopotamian toilet demon

2730
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:43,920
yes actually actually

2731
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,920
tell us about the mesopotamian toilet

2732
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,040
demon

2733
01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:49,280
well this is it's actually a um a kind

2734
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:51,119
of a common thing you'll find a

2735
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:52,800
strangely in the ancient texts as there

2736
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,280
were these toilet demons

2737
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:57,840
and so there are a lot of warnings about

2738
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:00,159
toilet behavior and how to be safe and

2739
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:02,560
guard against the dreaded toilet demon

2740
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,320
one of the warnings is that after coming

2741
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:07,040
from the toilet you should not have

2742
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:08,320
intercourse

2743
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:11,440
immediately or else the um children that

2744
01:50:15,590 --> 01:50:12,719
you may have

2745
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:15,600
after that intercourse will be epileptic

2746
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:17,280
and so there's a whole like mythos

2747
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:21,040
around that so there was a definitely a

2748
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,560
sort of set of manners and etiquette

2749
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:24,480
around the toilet and what you should do

2750
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:27,119
to avoid this toilet demon and so uh

2751
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,600
basically it

2752
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:32,159
it parallels the beliefs of the acadians

2753
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:33,520
you see this goes all the way back to

2754
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:34,560
sumer

2755
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,400
babylon and even

2756
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:38,320
in hebrew and jewish faith they kind of

2757
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:41,040
carried this thing along but the this

2758
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:44,719
demon was supposedly living in toilets

2759
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,199
it looks sort of like a lion sometimes

2760
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,800
it looks like a goat

2761
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:51,280
but it lives in toilets and it causes

2762
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:52,960
epilepsy to either the children of

2763
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,440
course if you do wrong unhygienic things

2764
01:50:59,430 --> 01:50:57,040
but it can also cause the person going

2765
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:59,440
to the toilet to have epilepsy strokes

2766
01:51:04,830 --> 01:51:02,159
or sudden falls and so in in one case

2767
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:04,840
it's mentioned in a medical handbook um

2768
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:08,560
that if somebody falls on their left

2769
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,520
side during a seizure or stroke then

2770
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:13,520
that's an indicator that they had been

2771
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:15,679
struck down by the hand of the toilet

2772
01:51:22,470 --> 01:51:18,560
demon i was going to read that passage

2773
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:22,480
right now and uh yeah if uh if his right

2774
01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:25,520
side is let down a stroke inflicted by a

2775
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:28,239
lurker he will recover if the right side

2776
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,440
of his body is in its entirety let down

2777
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:33,840
the stroke inflicted by a lurker he has

2778
01:51:37,350 --> 01:51:36,000
been hit at the rear

2779
01:51:40,149 --> 01:51:37,360
now

2780
01:51:43,270 --> 01:51:40,159
it's a rare yes yes

2781
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:43,280
and this is uh the crazy part about this

2782
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:46,719
is that the demon finds it easy because

2783
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,719
you're alone

2784
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:51,440
at your most vulnerable

2785
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:53,920
and i would say that that is true right

2786
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:56,239
yes and that's part of your uh

2787
01:51:59,109 --> 01:51:57,280
lurker

2788
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:59,119
kind of archetype demon that you'd find

2789
01:52:03,109 --> 01:52:01,440
in the ancient world these lurkers would

2790
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:03,119
just they would not just be at toilets

2791
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,119
but they would be in dark areas

2792
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:07,440
abandoned places and this sort of thing

2793
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:10,159
but this one is is uh specifically it

2794
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:12,320
lurks around the toilet and so when

2795
01:52:15,589 --> 01:52:13,679
you're alone yes and at your most

2796
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:15,599
vulnerable

2797
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:17,679
you know be beware of the toilet demon i

2798
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,440
know i can cause problems

2799
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:21,199
i'm taking crystals into the bathroom

2800
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,400
from now on

2801
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,239
so uh i want us

2802
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:26,400
and i want to continue this after we

2803
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:28,960
come back after the break but vampires

2804
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:30,719
now i have

2805
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:33,440
i have read in

2806
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:35,440
i'm just going let's say in the last two

2807
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:36,880
years where i have

2808
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,679
read different uh news reports and press

2809
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,040
releases of

2810
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:44,080
of a different uh archaeological digs

2811
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:47,440
around the world i have seen vampire

2812
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:48,480
in

2813
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:51,760
more of these press releases than others

2814
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:52,639
and

2815
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:56,480
does

2816
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:58,400
this is dating back way

2817
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,000
before dracula and and the book uh you

2818
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:04,800
know bram stalker uh this is predating

2819
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:07,280
all of that how far back does vampirism

2820
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:09,280
go

2821
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:15,360
as far back as the record really i mean

2822
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:17,520
there's all sorts of accounts of this

2823
01:53:21,910 --> 01:53:20,239
this idea of blood sucking and people

2824
01:53:24,149 --> 01:53:21,920
being afraid and so

2825
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,159
um yeah i mean it's another one of these

2826
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:26,560
things that sort of travels with us just

2827
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:29,520
like demons in general witches and all

2828
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:32,320
of these spooky things that uh i guess

2829
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:33,920
are the things that

2830
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:35,360
nightmares are made of and that they

2831
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:37,840
still carry a significance so and

2832
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:39,920
vampires are constant through history i

2833
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:41,679
would say and what is it that you look

2834
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,199
for as an archaeologist when you're

2835
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:45,679
doing a dig like this and you find

2836
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:48,560
a skeleton of remains uh

2837
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:49,520
to

2838
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,080
because they were a vampire

2839
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,639
any anything really that would

2840
01:54:01,109 --> 01:53:58,960
show that um

2841
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,119
you didn't want them to rise again from

2842
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:03,599
the dead because that was something that

2843
01:54:06,229 --> 01:54:05,520
was very prominent in this idea that

2844
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:06,239
these

2845
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:11,360
they would be able to appear dead or or

2846
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:12,960
what have you but then they could you

2847
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:14,320
know rise again and so you'd want to

2848
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,239
make sure that they couldn't do that so

2849
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:18,080
any way that you could

2850
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:20,320
do that by either having a stake through

2851
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:21,840
the heart

2852
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:24,480
mutilated bones so that if they were to

2853
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:25,920
sort of resurrect they wouldn't be able

2854
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:28,239
to go anywhere or do anything

2855
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,440
and a

2856
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:31,440
a number of different things so legs

2857
01:54:38,470 --> 01:54:37,030
you know sometimes something put into

2858
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:38,480
their mouth

2859
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:41,520
and and a lot of that was also to

2860
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,440
sort of indicate that yes this was a

2861
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:45,360
vampire in case maybe a grave robber or

2862
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:46,960
somebody like that would come across

2863
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:48,639
that they would say oh wait no don't

2864
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:49,520
don't

2865
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:53,920
vampire grave because if you basically

2866
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,760
if you didn't do these things the

2867
01:55:00,310 --> 01:54:57,920
vampire could rise again so

2868
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:00,320
they would even they could pin them down

2869
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:03,040
uh with rings anything you could imagine

2870
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,960
really the whole idea was just to keep

2871
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:06,960
them down so they couldn't

2872
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:10,000
resurrect from the grave and so

2873
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,520
yeah it

2874
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,679
it's really another i think that's one

2875
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:15,360
of the things when i put in the book

2876
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:18,560
horrific archaeological discoveries

2877
01:55:21,990 --> 01:55:19,920
the idea people said well what is

2878
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:22,000
horrific you know what what is gruesome

2879
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:23,440
what are these things

2880
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:25,920
something to me would be

2881
01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:29,520
a strange arrangement of human remains i

2882
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:30,960
think there's something inherently

2883
01:55:35,189 --> 01:55:33,360
disturbing about that as a human right

2884
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:35,199
when you look and you see

2885
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,400
bizarre and disturbing burials um that's

2886
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:40,800
just something that it it i think it

2887
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,520
reminds us of our own mortality and uh

2888
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:45,360
there was the case of the um i talk

2889
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:47,199
about in the book of the capuchin crypt

2890
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:48,239
in rome

2891
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,719
for just reasons they don't even know

2892
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:53,119
the capuchin monks started to decorate

2893
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:55,280
five rooms of their crypt beneath their

2894
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:57,679
little church with bones of their dead

2895
01:56:02,390 --> 01:56:01,280
brothers um and it's and you know it

2896
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:02,400
wasn't just their dead brothers because

2897
01:56:05,270 --> 01:56:04,080
they later found out they were they were

2898
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:05,280
the bones of

2899
01:56:09,430 --> 01:56:07,920
orphaned village children as well

2900
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:09,440
but the crypt

2901
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:11,040
it has all of these different bones and

2902
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:13,679
these decorative arrangements um of

2903
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:15,920
about 4 000 people so far that they've

2904
01:56:20,470 --> 01:56:18,080
counted that's a lot of people that's a

2905
01:56:23,109 --> 01:56:20,480
small village that's you know i if that

2906
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:23,119
could be a little town of 4 000 people

2907
01:56:27,270 --> 01:56:25,280
including the friars and the local

2908
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:27,280
orphans all put together so they have

2909
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:29,599
all of these remains and they're just in

2910
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:31,599
the most elaborate formations as

2911
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:34,400
decorations so they have chandeliers

2912
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:37,119
candelabras crosses they even have a

2913
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:38,560
coat of arms

2914
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:40,159
and in a way it's it's really

2915
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:42,800
astonishing and it's beautiful until you

2916
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:44,639
really look and say wait a minute those

2917
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:46,560
are knuckle bones those are they're like

2918
01:56:50,470 --> 01:56:48,480
20 femurs right there wait a minute what

2919
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:50,480
am i looking at it's really gruesome and

2920
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:52,639
at the entrance there's a plaque that

2921
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:55,599
sort of reminds everybody it says

2922
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:58,560
what you are now we once were

2923
01:57:03,109 --> 01:57:01,760
what we are now you shall be

2924
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:03,119
the

2925
01:57:15,589 --> 01:57:13,520
when that is found in a dig

2926
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:15,599
is the stake

2927
01:57:18,629 --> 01:57:16,400
done

2928
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:18,639
after the body is dead

2929
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,000
you know what i mean to keep it from

2930
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:22,480
coming back alive

2931
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:25,920
i don't know that yeah i mean

2932
01:57:31,350 --> 01:57:28,719
i think that that in some cases yes but

2933
01:57:33,270 --> 01:57:31,360
in some cases no i think that you would

2934
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:33,280
if you were in a village and you knew

2935
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:35,119
you had a vampire and you blamed them

2936
01:57:38,709 --> 01:57:37,360
for all your woes and your hardships i

2937
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:38,719
think that it wouldn't take much for

2938
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:40,400
somebody to be motivated to just do that

2939
01:57:44,709 --> 01:57:42,400
while you're still alive

2940
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:44,719
and and the thought of we've got to take

2941
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:46,159
a break right here

2942
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:48,320
but

2943
01:57:53,669 --> 01:57:51,360
recovering or looking at a skeleton uh

2944
01:57:56,790 --> 01:57:53,679
the remains and having it chained to the

2945
01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:56,800
ground right or tied to the ground

2946
01:58:01,109 --> 01:57:59,679
you're right i mean as humans that's one

2947
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:01,119
of the most frightening things that you

2948
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:03,679
could see and you would even wonder if

2949
01:58:08,629 --> 01:58:06,560
if they were buried alive

2950
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:08,639
right yeah let's take a break right here

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welcome back fade to black i'm heroes

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jimmy church

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02:03:34,149 --> 02:03:32,480
our guest tonight is dr heather lynn and

3067
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:34,159
of course we are talking about her book

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02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:35,280
evil

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archaeology

3070
02:03:41,109 --> 02:03:38,880
and in the book

3071
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uh there are literally hundreds and

3072
02:03:46,070 --> 02:03:43,760
hundreds of of references

3073
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:46,080
and uh different uh digs and and things

3074
02:03:49,589 --> 02:03:47,599
that have happened throughout history

3075
02:03:52,629 --> 02:03:49,599
and it is uh really well written and

3076
02:03:57,510 --> 02:03:52,639
very comprehensive but there is

3077
02:03:59,750 --> 02:03:57,520
one uh uh case uh heather that i want to

3078
02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:59,760
talk about now that's the uh frozen inca

3079
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:01,040
mummies

3080
02:04:05,030 --> 02:04:03,440
and it this is one

3081
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:05,040
i'm i'm a parent

3082
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:06,880
okay and

3083
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:08,639
that

3084
02:04:12,870 --> 02:04:10,800
okay when we say frozen inca mummies

3085
02:04:15,750 --> 02:04:12,880
okay that's one but

3086
02:04:18,149 --> 02:04:15,760
i'm a parent and reading about

3087
02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:18,159
what was uncovered

3088
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:22,480
uh is is just chilling and it's it's a

3089
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:25,520
it's a it's a it's a hair-raising uh

3090
02:04:29,830 --> 02:04:28,080
archaeological find and i can't imagine

3091
02:04:33,189 --> 02:04:29,840
as an archaeologist

3092
02:04:34,950 --> 02:04:33,199
uh doing this and having you have to uh

3093
02:04:37,270 --> 02:04:34,960
figure out the history of what is going

3094
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:37,280
on so let's talk about that for a second

3095
02:04:40,790 --> 02:04:40,000
what what was the original

3096
02:04:43,589 --> 02:04:40,800
uh

3097
02:04:47,430 --> 02:04:43,599
find that was up there

3098
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:47,440
well in 96 at the top of a volcano in

3099
02:04:51,910 --> 02:04:49,280
southwest peru

3100
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:51,920
they found the body of a 15 year old

3101
02:04:55,589 --> 02:04:54,239
girl and she'd apparently frozen to

3102
02:04:57,990 --> 02:04:55,599
death

3103
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:58,000
after she was left as a sacrifice to the

3104
02:05:01,510 --> 02:04:58,960
gods

3105
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:01,520
so three years after that archaeologists

3106
02:05:06,870 --> 02:05:04,159
discovered three more frozen children

3107
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:06,880
who were also sacrificed um it was two

3108
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:08,719
girls and one boy

3109
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:11,280
about eight to 14 years old

3110
02:05:15,270 --> 02:05:12,880
and so

3111
02:05:17,430 --> 02:05:15,280
this these were inca children

3112
02:05:20,149 --> 02:05:17,440
and what they found and these were these

3113
02:05:22,709 --> 02:05:20,159
are very great specimens they're just

3114
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:22,719
amazing to see i mean it's very sad

3115
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:25,360
very very horrific but also very

3116
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:27,440
fascinating but what you can see from

3117
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:29,840
them is that they had been fattened

3118
02:05:36,070 --> 02:05:32,560
adorned and then given hallucinogenic

3119
02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,080
drugs before the priests left them on

3120
02:05:41,109 --> 02:05:38,480
the summit of this

3121
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:41,119
mountain and volcano rather to uh to

3122
02:05:44,790 --> 02:05:42,719
just die

3123
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:44,800
so archaeologists from all over were

3124
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:47,040
wanting to study these these children

3125
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:49,280
because they are the most well preserved

3126
02:05:54,550 --> 02:05:52,000
mummies ever found some of them at least

3127
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:54,560
i mean they look i i didn't include a

3128
02:05:59,270 --> 02:05:56,480
picture in the book um

3129
02:06:02,390 --> 02:05:59,280
partly out of respect because um it is a

3130
02:06:04,550 --> 02:06:02,400
it is a contentious subject a lot of

3131
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:04,560
people are very upset that they're even

3132
02:06:09,830 --> 02:06:07,280
on display in a museum

3133
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:09,840
because these are not your typical

3134
02:06:15,589 --> 02:06:13,360
remains uh these are children they look

3135
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:15,599
like children still they're they're so i

3136
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:17,599
mean you can google and if anyone's

3137
02:06:21,430 --> 02:06:19,440
interested in definitely find frozen

3138
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:21,440
inca mummies and um you'll you'll be

3139
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:23,679
able to find this pretty easily and uh

3140
02:06:26,229 --> 02:06:24,880
you'll be able to see that these

3141
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:26,239
well-preserved

3142
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,960
they're just

3143
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:31,199
it's chilling and that's a terrible pun

3144
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:32,880
i shouldn't have probably used that but

3145
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:34,079
um

3146
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:36,159
yeah they were they they

3147
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:38,239
yes it does make you look at it and it

3148
02:06:42,390 --> 02:06:40,560
really hits home that wow these were

3149
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:42,400
these were children so it's easy to say

3150
02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:44,000
mummies and you know think of mummies

3151
02:06:47,430 --> 02:06:45,840
curses and you know archaeology and

3152
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:47,440
whatnot but then when you see these

3153
02:06:51,990 --> 02:06:49,760
children and how they just

3154
02:06:54,229 --> 02:06:52,000
they they died they froze to death and

3155
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:54,239
they went a terrible way as well i mean

3156
02:06:58,629 --> 02:06:56,719
but the you know having to be

3157
02:07:00,629 --> 02:06:58,639
force-fed and drugged and all these

3158
02:07:02,950 --> 02:07:00,639
different things

3159
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:02,960
they went through some trauma before

3160
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:05,840
dying and a horrific death um but

3161
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:08,639
their their bodily fluids even were and

3162
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:11,280
their organs everything was still there

3163
02:07:16,870 --> 02:07:14,000
so it was because it was so well

3164
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:16,880
preserved um the the organs and whatnot

3165
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:19,280
the researchers were able to do a

3166
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:22,480
complete analysis on this to find

3167
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:24,320
uh all sorts of information like their

3168
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:26,639
eating habits illnesses

3169
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:28,800
and uh and and all sorts of things so

3170
02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:30,239
and in one case

3171
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:32,320
again this would be a terrible discovery

3172
02:07:35,669 --> 02:07:33,760
to make and what on one hand it'd be

3173
02:07:38,550 --> 02:07:35,679
fascinating but the other other it would

3174
02:07:40,550 --> 02:07:38,560
just be quite disturbing because um

3175
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:40,560
since they were so well intact and

3176
02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:42,960
frozen one of the children's hearts was

3177
02:07:46,790 --> 02:07:45,760
still filled with blood frozen blood

3178
02:07:48,870 --> 02:07:46,800
and they looked like they had just

3179
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:48,880
simply fallen asleep and then these

3180
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:52,079
mummies they were roughly 500 years old

3181
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:53,599
right and so what they were looking at

3182
02:07:58,950 --> 02:07:56,880
were children from 500 years ago with

3183
02:08:01,910 --> 02:07:58,960
blood still in their hearts

3184
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:01,920
and so you know the they

3185
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:03,920
so for anyone who wants to google it um

3186
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:05,280
you know out of curiosity the

3187
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:07,360
researchers refer to the children as

3188
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:09,119
lightning girl

3189
02:08:13,109 --> 02:08:10,320
and the boy

3190
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:13,119
um they just call the boy

3191
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:13,840
but

3192
02:08:18,550 --> 02:08:16,560
the the girl

3193
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:18,560
her she was called lightning girl

3194
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:21,040
because her body had been burned after

3195
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:22,560
being struck by lightning after her

3196
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:24,480
death i mean to add insult to injury no

3197
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:25,840
you know for sure

3198
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:27,599
but she was six years old at the time of

3199
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:30,719
her death her skull was elongated and

3200
02:08:35,669 --> 02:08:32,400
they had put her in a nice dress and

3201
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:35,679
wrapped her in a yellow and red blanket

3202
02:08:38,950 --> 02:08:37,119
and so it indicated that she was very

3203
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:38,960
well valued that this wasn't somebody

3204
02:08:43,030 --> 02:08:41,040
that they thought you know we'll just

3205
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:43,040
send a criminal up there we're punishing

3206
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:44,480
these children

3207
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:46,400
if they fed them well they they put them

3208
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:48,800
in nice clothing they adorn them these

3209
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:50,480
were the best of the best

3210
02:08:54,709 --> 02:08:52,320
and so you know nothing but the best as

3211
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,719
an offering of course for the gods so

3212
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:56,639
you know they they took the boy who was

3213
02:09:01,030 --> 02:08:58,400
seven years old at the time

3214
02:09:03,350 --> 02:09:01,040
of his death um and

3215
02:09:05,270 --> 02:09:03,360
the boy didn't seem to go so willingly

3216
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:05,280
the researchers determined that it

3217
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:06,400
looked like he had had more of a

3218
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:09,360
traumatic death he had vomit and blood

3219
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,159
on his clothing and so uh he also had

3220
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:14,000
some dislocated bones

3221
02:09:17,109 --> 02:09:15,840
and so it looks like he may have been

3222
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:17,119
restrained

3223
02:09:19,910 --> 02:09:17,920
and

3224
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:19,920
you know maybe fighting on his way so

3225
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:21,760
and his skull was slightly elongated as

3226
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:24,639
well and he wore a tunic and some silver

3227
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:26,239
jewelry and he was also wrapped in a

3228
02:09:29,109 --> 02:09:27,360
blanket

3229
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:29,119
but it due to the way he was restrained

3230
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:30,320
it was believed that he may have been

3231
02:09:35,030 --> 02:09:33,440
suffocated um after fighting off the

3232
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:35,040
eventual fate so

3233
02:09:38,709 --> 02:09:37,119
um how do you how do you as an

3234
02:09:41,430 --> 02:09:38,719
archaeologist when you go through

3235
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:41,440
something like this how do you prevent

3236
02:09:44,550 --> 02:09:43,199
emotional trauma

3237
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:44,560
i mean you've got to take this stuff

3238
02:09:48,709 --> 02:09:47,199
home you have to you have to think about

3239
02:09:50,149 --> 02:09:48,719
this not only that you have to write up

3240
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:50,159
the report you've got to take pictures

3241
02:10:00,870 --> 02:09:51,360
you have to

3242
02:10:02,229 --> 02:10:00,880
how do you keep your mind straight

3243
02:10:04,629 --> 02:10:02,239
yeah i mean that's a good question i

3244
02:10:06,470 --> 02:10:04,639
think that's something that um

3245
02:10:08,149 --> 02:10:06,480
most people in any of these sorts of

3246
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:08,159
professions even just the medical field

3247
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:09,679
or you know

3248
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:11,760
policing there's so many things that

3249
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:12,800
that

3250
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:14,560
you know it would leave you to have to

3251
02:10:18,069 --> 02:10:16,400
deal with trauma this way and and

3252
02:10:20,149 --> 02:10:18,079
perhaps there comes with that and

3253
02:10:22,390 --> 02:10:20,159
practice some sort of professional you

3254
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:22,400
know distance but i don't really think

3255
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:23,920
so because these aren't things that

3256
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:25,440
you'd typically find so i think you

3257
02:10:28,390 --> 02:10:27,280
could spend a lot of your time as an

3258
02:10:29,990 --> 02:10:28,400
archaeologist

3259
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:30,000
researching and finding you know bits of

3260
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:32,239
pottery and and whatnot and then

3261
02:10:36,950 --> 02:10:34,800
maybe find something like this and maybe

3262
02:10:38,709 --> 02:10:36,960
be totally unprepared for it yeah you

3263
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:38,719
know promotionally i know you brought

3264
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:41,360
this up a few times tonight we all

3265
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:42,639
picture

3266
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:43,679
uh

3267
02:10:47,910 --> 02:10:46,320
digs right with the pottery shards right

3268
02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:47,920
i mean it seems like that's all it's

3269
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:49,119
about

3270
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:52,400
and it's it's clearly not and one of the

3271
02:10:55,589 --> 02:10:53,440
things

3272
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:55,599
uh that you pointed out in this book and

3273
02:11:00,069 --> 02:10:57,679
i love learning something new

3274
02:11:01,189 --> 02:11:00,079
but the bog mummies

3275
02:11:04,310 --> 02:11:01,199
now

3276
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:04,320
just like the uh the frozen inca mummies

3277
02:11:11,350 --> 02:11:07,520
i've never heard of a bog mummy and the

3278
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:11,360
ability for a bog and peat moss and the

3279
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:14,560
nature of the soil to perfectly preserve

3280
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:16,719
bodies and they are found all the time

3281
02:11:21,109 --> 02:11:18,560
aren't they

3282
02:11:23,189 --> 02:11:21,119
yes yes actually they're um they're very

3283
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:23,199
well preserved because of the as you

3284
02:11:27,350 --> 02:11:24,719
said the the peat and these sorts of

3285
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:27,360
things and so um

3286
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:29,920
yeah yeah the the that that's a really

3287
02:11:34,550 --> 02:11:32,880
interesting one that uh

3288
02:11:36,310 --> 02:11:34,560
people were sort of confused about for a

3289
02:11:39,109 --> 02:11:36,320
little while and then they ended up

3290
02:11:40,709 --> 02:11:39,119
finding out that well or at least

3291
02:11:43,830 --> 02:11:40,719
assuming that this had to do with some

3292
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:43,840
sacred pagan rituals um and so and then

3293
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:46,560
some maybe were just accidents people

3294
02:11:51,750 --> 02:11:48,560
fall right yeah

3295
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:51,760
um but but in in europe the a lot of the

3296
02:11:56,069 --> 02:11:53,440
ones that they have found they they

3297
02:11:58,709 --> 02:11:56,079
believe are victims of human sacrifice

3298
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:58,719
and so uh but the pete it's it's you get

3299
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:01,520
this sometimes it's amazing where

3300
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:03,360
sort of like the liberia tar pits you

3301
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:05,119
know there's these like areas these

3302
02:12:10,310 --> 02:12:08,400
certain ways that the the globe can just

3303
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:10,320
preserve something you know and and then

3304
02:12:16,069 --> 02:12:12,320
this is one of those cases where because

3305
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:16,079
of the acidity in the peat um it's

3306
02:12:20,709 --> 02:12:18,639
it just perfectly preserves these bodies

3307
02:12:23,030 --> 02:12:20,719
so much so that you can see their hair

3308
02:12:26,430 --> 02:12:23,040
and all these details and

3309
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:26,440
so we're talking like very old but in

3310
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:28,560
1897 there were

3311
02:12:34,550 --> 02:12:32,000
workers out illegally burning pete

3312
02:12:36,069 --> 02:12:34,560
and then they discovered a body in the

3313
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:36,079
in the peat bog near their village this

3314
02:12:41,430 --> 02:12:38,880
was in the netherlands um but

3315
02:12:44,069 --> 02:12:41,440
it scared them they thought they they

3316
02:12:45,510 --> 02:12:44,079
maybe unearthed the devil you know they

3317
02:12:47,350 --> 02:12:45,520
didn't know what they found but you know

3318
02:12:48,870 --> 02:12:47,360
they're very you know superstitious and

3319
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:48,880
whatnot but what they really found was a

3320
02:12:53,350 --> 02:12:51,520
teenage girl who had been in the bog and

3321
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:53,360
now get this this was she she looked

3322
02:12:58,149 --> 02:12:54,480
like a girl

3323
02:13:02,229 --> 02:12:58,159
but she was there for 2 000 years 2 000

3324
02:13:04,709 --> 02:13:02,239
years 2 000 years fully clothed clothed

3325
02:13:07,350 --> 02:13:04,719
fully clothed she she had a half shaved

3326
02:13:09,030 --> 02:13:07,360
head and a rope around her neck now see

3327
02:13:11,109 --> 02:13:09,040
this is the thing okay let's let's

3328
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:11,119
actually this is part of archaeology

3329
02:13:14,149 --> 02:13:13,040
right here now you get to write the

3330
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:14,159
story

3331
02:13:19,189 --> 02:13:17,440
right where you have uh a body it's

3332
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:19,199
clothed then you find out it's 2 000

3333
02:13:22,470 --> 02:13:21,280
years old it's got a ro she's got a rope

3334
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:22,480
around her neck

3335
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:24,960
her hair is you know

3336
02:13:29,910 --> 02:13:27,920
that situation where she's half shaved

3337
02:13:32,390 --> 02:13:29,920
now they start to take a look at this

3338
02:13:34,870 --> 02:13:32,400
and they they they figure out you know

3339
02:13:36,870 --> 02:13:34,880
they get to play ncis

3340
02:13:39,109 --> 02:13:36,880
right crime scene investigation what

3341
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:39,119
happened to her

3342
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,639
well um

3343
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:43,199
what's interesting is that uh

3344
02:13:49,030 --> 02:13:46,880
the well the mayor actually

3345
02:13:50,870 --> 02:13:49,040
it was since this was so long ago and

3346
02:13:52,870 --> 02:13:50,880
you know the the news started spreading

3347
02:13:55,270 --> 02:13:52,880
in this village and so the mayor had to

3348
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:55,280
come by and report the discovery to the

3349
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:57,360
museum and sort of you know act as the

3350
02:14:00,229 --> 02:13:58,480
intermediary

3351
02:14:01,589 --> 02:14:00,239
and uh so we have a primary source

3352
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:01,599
document

3353
02:14:06,310 --> 02:14:03,679
that shows what he described exactly and

3354
02:14:08,790 --> 02:14:06,320
so the body he described as having blue

3355
02:14:10,709 --> 02:14:08,800
skin and damage to the right cheek the

3356
02:14:13,669 --> 02:14:10,719
mouth was open and there were still

3357
02:14:16,229 --> 02:14:13,679
teeth and the girl had long reddish hair

3358
02:14:17,910 --> 02:14:16,239
um but then again the the

3359
02:14:19,910 --> 02:14:17,920
the right side of the skull it was was

3360
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:19,920
clean shaved so

3361
02:14:24,069 --> 02:14:21,840
it was really strange and uh you know

3362
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:24,079
they had this they really didn't

3363
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:25,440
i don't think they really did anything

3364
02:14:29,189 --> 02:14:27,040
with it from that point

3365
02:14:30,709 --> 02:14:29,199
but then later archaeologists started

3366
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:30,719
discovering that

3367
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:34,000
um other parts of her body and clothing

3368
02:14:38,870 --> 02:14:36,480
were being dug up by the villagers

3369
02:14:40,950 --> 02:14:38,880
her teeth had been stolen her hair was

3370
02:14:42,790 --> 02:14:40,960
pulled loose so it was like they they

3371
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:42,800
were robbing her grave at one point and

3372
02:14:45,910 --> 02:14:44,560
but it there was nothing from her grave

3373
02:14:48,229 --> 02:14:45,920
it was just they were taking pieces of

3374
02:14:50,470 --> 02:14:48,239
her all throughout time and so

3375
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:50,480
um

3376
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:52,079
what they determined

3377
02:14:56,149 --> 02:14:54,560
um based on just sort of this activity

3378
02:14:59,270 --> 02:14:56,159
and again this is this is where

3379
02:15:00,950 --> 02:14:59,280
archaeology gets a little

3380
02:15:03,750 --> 02:15:00,960
l i don't want to say less than

3381
02:15:04,870 --> 02:15:03,760
scientific but it is a soft science and

3382
02:15:08,069 --> 02:15:04,880
this is something i think is really

3383
02:15:10,069 --> 02:15:08,079
important to point out because so often

3384
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:10,079
archaeologists would like to point to

3385
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:12,639
their discipline as being a science and

3386
02:15:17,270 --> 02:15:15,360
while there are scientific tools used

3387
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:17,280
and there is a scientific methodology

3388
02:15:22,149 --> 02:15:19,920
employed it doesn't necessarily mean

3389
02:15:24,149 --> 02:15:22,159
that it's all quantifiable you still

3390
02:15:25,990 --> 02:15:24,159
have to take a lot of guesses even if

3391
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:26,000
they're educated guesses and you have to

3392
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:28,000
do qualitative analysis and do a lot of

3393
02:15:32,310 --> 02:15:30,079
inferring and so which which i don't

3394
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:32,320
think is necessarily a bad thing but

3395
02:15:35,589 --> 02:15:33,920
it's just an important thing to keep in

3396
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:35,599
mind when you hear archaeologists

3397
02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:37,199
sometimes go and say no this is

3398
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:39,199
definitely what this is because

3399
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:40,560
but no when you're talking about the

3400
02:15:46,310 --> 02:15:43,040
past unless you were there you really

3401
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:46,320
definitely can't say much you know so

3402
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:48,079
you know at this point the story that

3403
02:15:52,550 --> 02:15:49,679
they put together

3404
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:52,560
was that she was 16 years old when she

3405
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:56,960
died and uh she had a spine abnormality

3406
02:16:01,830 --> 02:15:59,040
that maybe caused her to limp

3407
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:01,840
and so what they figured was that

3408
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:02,960
you know and they could tell that it

3409
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:04,480
wasn't that she had a broken spine that

3410
02:16:09,350 --> 02:16:06,719
was done it was definitely from birth

3411
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:09,360
that she had the spinal you know issue

3412
02:16:14,790 --> 02:16:12,480
so what they what they believe is that

3413
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:14,800
because she might have limped or been

3414
02:16:19,109 --> 02:16:17,280
sort of having a crooked stature um it

3415
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:19,119
made her different

3416
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:20,800
and her community didn't like her

3417
02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:23,119
because of that and and chased her off

3418
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:25,360
and abused her and ended up killing her

3419
02:16:28,709 --> 02:16:27,199
and so that's that's sort of the idea

3420
02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:28,719
now of course we have no real way of

3421
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:29,840
proving that but that's sort of the

3422
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:31,040
narrative that they

3423
02:16:36,070 --> 02:16:32,559
they put together but

3424
02:16:38,389 --> 02:16:36,080
um in the 90s university of manchester

3425
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:38,399
had a forensic artist reconstruct the

3426
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:39,920
girl's face

3427
02:16:43,830 --> 02:16:41,599
and it's just

3428
02:16:45,509 --> 02:16:43,840
it's amazing because it really brings

3429
02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:45,519
life to this i mean the body was really

3430
02:16:49,910 --> 02:16:47,519
well preserved but again her face had

3431
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,920
been sort of abused and and you know she

3432
02:16:54,070 --> 02:16:52,080
had been treated poorly and then if the

3433
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:54,080
people looted her and took her teeth and

3434
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:56,399
did some things after the fact so there

3435
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:58,960
is a reconstruction out there that is

3436
02:17:03,429 --> 02:17:00,559
it's quite amazing and it really gives a

3437
02:17:06,309 --> 02:17:03,439
literal face to this girl of 2000 years

3438
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:06,319
ago that was tortured to death literally

3439
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:08,639
because she was different yeah she was

3440
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:11,040
different and the bog

3441
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:12,639
of all things

3442
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:17,040
preserved her for us today and including

3443
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:19,359
uh you know key things like her clothes

3444
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:20,880
but of course

3445
02:17:24,389 --> 02:17:23,519
the uh rope that was found around her

3446
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:24,399
neck

3447
02:17:28,150 --> 02:17:26,639
and if it wasn't for the bog we wouldn't

3448
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:28,160
have had this and she wouldn't have been

3449
02:17:32,070 --> 02:17:30,080
able to tell her story

3450
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:32,080
absolutely because you know a rope being

3451
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:34,559
organic material like that it would have

3452
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:37,040
not really lasted i mean the the bog

3453
02:17:42,309 --> 02:17:39,280
preserved it so that she was able to

3454
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:42,319
tell her story 2000 years later now uh

3455
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:45,200
and speaking okay uh and as we start to

3456
02:17:49,270 --> 02:17:47,120
close tonight there is

3457
02:17:51,030 --> 02:17:49,280
uh another question that just needs to

3458
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:51,040
be addressed when

3459
02:17:53,910 --> 02:17:52,160
uh

3460
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:53,920
when a when a

3461
02:17:59,270 --> 02:17:57,280
when a skull is revealed to have a hole

3462
02:18:02,629 --> 02:17:59,280
in it

3463
02:18:05,830 --> 02:18:02,639
i think a normal assumption for us that

3464
02:18:07,349 --> 02:18:05,840
are not uh archaeologists is that

3465
02:18:10,870 --> 02:18:07,359
it's an arrow

3466
02:18:13,349 --> 02:18:10,880
right it's that it was a murder it was

3467
02:18:16,549 --> 02:18:13,359
you know it's some maybe even battle

3468
02:18:19,509 --> 02:18:16,559
uh something like that happened but it

3469
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:19,519
could have been a demonic possession and

3470
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:22,639
an exorcism as an archaeologist how do

3471
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:24,880
you figure that out because isn't a hole

3472
02:18:31,589 --> 02:18:26,559
a hole

3473
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:31,599
it and determine how the hole got there

3474
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:34,800
based on um well

3475
02:18:39,190 --> 02:18:37,359
one one way you can see is if it was

3476
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:39,200
perforated around the edge

3477
02:18:42,950 --> 02:18:40,880
so in order to

3478
02:18:44,230 --> 02:18:42,960
purposefully drill a hole so surgically

3479
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:44,240
drill a hole

3480
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:46,719
in very ancient times it would be you

3481
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:48,479
would make little perforations around

3482
02:18:52,790 --> 02:18:50,240
that and then push

3483
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:52,800
that skull piece in

3484
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,559
and and you'd have a little skull disc

3485
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,399
so that would leave any you need to

3486
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:58,080
remove that skull disc but then that

3487
02:19:02,070 --> 02:19:00,160
would leave a particular outline around

3488
02:19:03,190 --> 02:19:02,080
it um and so there's a lot of different

3489
02:19:05,429 --> 02:19:03,200
ways you'd look at the skull to

3490
02:19:07,429 --> 02:19:05,439
determine if it was a blunt force or if

3491
02:19:10,070 --> 02:19:07,439
it was drilling you know that which

3492
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:10,080
happened um frequently for that sort of

3493
02:19:14,070 --> 02:19:12,240
thing so you know there's a lot of ways

3494
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:14,080
so i mentioned in the book uh one way

3495
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,160
that they did it i sort of start this

3496
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:18,319
part of the book with uh

3497
02:19:24,549 --> 02:19:21,040
what seems to be a fictionalized account

3498
02:19:27,429 --> 02:19:24,559
a retelling of an actual uh trepening or

3499
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:27,439
early prehistoric exorcism

3500
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:29,439
but it's uh because nobody could be

3501
02:19:33,509 --> 02:19:31,280
there to record it of course it's it's

3502
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:33,519
speculative but i base it on all of the

3503
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:36,559
evidence that is available on how they

3504
02:19:39,910 --> 02:19:38,319
how they would have done this and what

3505
02:19:41,030 --> 02:19:39,920
you know what evidence we have and one

3506
02:19:42,150 --> 02:19:41,040
of the things is that they would have

3507
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:42,160
taken a

3508
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:44,160
an antler or something of that effect

3509
02:19:49,349 --> 02:19:46,639
and whittled it to a point and then they

3510
02:19:50,790 --> 02:19:49,359
would have just you know perforated

3511
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:50,800
around the head

3512
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,920
and then started rubbing that in their

3513
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:55,200
palm as though sort of they were going

3514
02:19:59,670 --> 02:19:57,760
to start a fire or something so and so

3515
02:20:02,630 --> 02:19:59,680
if you could imagine how awful that

3516
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:02,640
would be if you were a patient suffering

3517
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:05,200
from maybe epilepsy or some disease that

3518
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,359
maybe they were thinking was a you know

3519
02:20:12,550 --> 02:20:10,000
a form of of uh ex you know possession

3520
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:12,560
or something like that uh you would you

3521
02:20:17,510 --> 02:20:14,560
to add insult again to your injury you

3522
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:17,520
would have a shaman standing over you

3523
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:20,000
drilling a hole in your head with a

3524
02:20:24,070 --> 02:20:21,760
whittled down antler which would take

3525
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:24,080
quite a while to do and after a while

3526
02:20:27,429 --> 02:20:26,000
the shaman would you know he'd be very

3527
02:20:29,990 --> 02:20:27,439
good at it after a while so it wouldn't

3528
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:30,000
be as bad as maybe if i would do it but

3529
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:32,160
um still it'd be a horrific experience

3530
02:20:36,469 --> 02:20:34,319
and then once they had that skull disc

3531
02:20:38,150 --> 02:20:36,479
popped out um

3532
02:20:39,030 --> 02:20:38,160
you know they would have to clean that

3533
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:39,040
off

3534
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:40,560
and then how they would do that would

3535
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:42,800
they would urinate in the hole

3536
02:20:45,590 --> 02:20:44,479
and then they would need to pack that

3537
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:45,600
hole because they wouldn't put the skull

3538
02:20:50,070 --> 02:20:47,359
disc back in that would be a trophy for

3539
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:50,080
later um plus you wanted to keep the the

3540
02:20:54,469 --> 02:20:52,240
injury open because you know that's how

3541
02:20:56,630 --> 02:20:54,479
you maybe let the demons get out or

3542
02:20:57,590 --> 02:20:56,640
um you you help with the intracranial

3543
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:57,600
pressure

3544
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:59,520
so you would

3545
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:01,680
pack that hole with reindeer fat or

3546
02:21:06,389 --> 02:21:03,760
whatever animal fat you may have and

3547
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:06,399
then basically hope for the best

3548
02:21:08,550 --> 02:21:07,600
now

3549
02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:08,560
when

3550
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:14,319
number one

3551
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:16,479
and then of course later on uh with the

3552
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:20,560
omen but the exorcist and you and i

3553
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:23,040
in this country went through

3554
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:26,399
front page demonic possession stories on

3555
02:21:30,710 --> 02:21:28,560
every newspaper across this country

3556
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:30,720
right it was everywhere everybody was

3557
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:31,760
possessed

3558
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:35,760
it doesn't seem that way today

3559
02:21:41,190 --> 02:21:37,840
have we moved on

3560
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:41,200
from evil are we past demonic possession

3561
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:44,240
are we understanding that is it not uh

3562
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:45,520
religious

3563
02:21:50,469 --> 02:21:46,479
is it

3564
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:50,479
issue

3565
02:21:54,950 --> 02:21:52,720
i mean it's great fodder for hollywood

3566
02:21:56,950 --> 02:21:54,960
you know those movies will always uh be

3567
02:21:58,790 --> 02:21:56,960
made and they still are but

3568
02:22:01,349 --> 02:21:58,800
do you understand what i'm asking

3569
02:22:03,670 --> 02:22:01,359
yeah yeah you know what i i

3570
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:03,680
i was curious about this as well and so

3571
02:22:09,110 --> 02:22:06,800
i interviewed an exorcist for the book

3572
02:22:11,429 --> 02:22:09,120
and he's an actual working modern-day

3573
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:11,439
exorcist and he had said that he's

3574
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:13,200
actually seen an increase in his

3575
02:22:16,950 --> 02:22:14,240
business

3576
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:16,960
a lot of people needing exorcisms and i

3577
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:18,720
i interviewed him for the book his name

3578
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:19,840
is bill bean

3579
02:22:23,190 --> 02:22:21,280
but i'd also

3580
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:23,200
talk to exorcists before they didn't

3581
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:26,080
include necessarily in the book and they

3582
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:27,760
all said similar things that there's

3583
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:30,000
actually an increase in people looking

3584
02:22:34,150 --> 02:22:31,840
for exorcisms which i thought was a

3585
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:34,160
little bit strange i think it's just

3586
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:36,640
maybe the way maybe the way they're

3587
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:39,439
being conducted is different i i put in

3588
02:22:45,030 --> 02:22:41,760
the book uh my own eyewitness account of

3589
02:22:47,590 --> 02:22:45,040
a modern day exorcism that you know as a

3590
02:22:49,030 --> 02:22:47,600
a recovering catholic or former catholic

3591
02:22:51,590 --> 02:22:49,040
i am

3592
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:51,600
i think of exorcism as the exorcist and

3593
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:53,280
a priest and some holy water and all

3594
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:54,479
this and

3595
02:23:00,870 --> 02:22:58,880
so when i saw my own exorcism you know i

3596
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:00,880
it was nothing like that it was very

3597
02:23:03,750 --> 02:23:02,960
strange and very different and

3598
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:03,760
so

3599
02:23:07,910 --> 02:23:06,399
i think what we have is

3600
02:23:10,230 --> 02:23:07,920
maybe just a different look of it

3601
02:23:12,389 --> 02:23:10,240
something something like that but

3602
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:12,399
in fact there are psychiatrists and

3603
02:23:16,950 --> 02:23:13,920
psychologists that are starting to

3604
02:23:18,070 --> 02:23:16,960
incorporate exorcism in their practice

3605
02:23:20,070 --> 02:23:18,080
some of them even if they're not

3606
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:20,080
religious they sort of believe that

3607
02:23:24,790 --> 02:23:22,479
perhaps there's a placebo effect or you

3608
02:23:26,630 --> 02:23:24,800
know something like that so maybe it

3609
02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:26,640
could do some good

3610
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:28,399
so i think we're just seeing it evolve

3611
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,200
and change and maybe sort of look a

3612
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:33,280
little different than how popular

3613
02:23:37,429 --> 02:23:35,040
culture put it out to us to begin with

3614
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:37,439
with the whole you know catholic priest

3615
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:38,800
archetype and

3616
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:42,000
and this but i think it's very much um

3617
02:23:45,349 --> 02:23:43,520
a relevant thing in fact i know in the

3618
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:45,359
third world they're still doing it and

3619
02:23:49,830 --> 02:23:47,120
you know doing a lot of it and it's

3620
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:49,840
quite sad really they uh people who have

3621
02:23:54,070 --> 02:23:51,520
absolute medical

3622
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:54,080
you know disorders epilepsy is usually

3623
02:23:58,710 --> 02:23:56,000
the most common one cited

3624
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:58,720
they're being treated by being given

3625
02:24:02,389 --> 02:24:00,399
exorcisms and sometimes

3626
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:02,399
they die as a result because these are

3627
02:24:05,830 --> 02:24:04,160
very it's not like somebody's standing

3628
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:05,840
over you saying be gone demon and the

3629
02:24:08,230 --> 02:24:07,280
power of christ compels you or something

3630
02:24:10,550 --> 02:24:08,240
like that it's

3631
02:24:12,389 --> 02:24:10,560
they get physically restrained they they

3632
02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:12,399
go through starvation they go through a

3633
02:24:16,150 --> 02:24:14,640
lot of traumatic things and and can

3634
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:16,160
actually die

3635
02:24:19,510 --> 02:24:17,760
so yeah

3636
02:24:21,270 --> 02:24:19,520
that's right hold on for a second you

3637
02:24:22,230 --> 02:24:21,280
reference um

3638
02:24:24,389 --> 02:24:22,240
uh

3639
02:24:29,910 --> 02:24:24,399
that's right that's what it was

3640
02:24:33,270 --> 02:24:31,349
yeah

3641
02:24:34,710 --> 02:24:33,280
which is uh

3642
02:24:37,590 --> 02:24:34,720
how do you how do you write it here it's

3643
02:24:40,550 --> 02:24:37,600
a it comes from the last few lines of

3644
02:24:45,510 --> 02:24:40,560
the catholic rite of exorcism

3645
02:24:53,750 --> 02:24:47,110
i think

3646
02:24:55,429 --> 02:24:53,760
even with science see this is this is

3647
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:55,439
what's interesting is that

3648
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:57,280
you have science and it sort of lulls

3649
02:25:01,190 --> 02:24:58,960
you into the sense of that we have a

3650
02:25:02,950 --> 02:25:01,200
grip on it that we know i think we have

3651
02:25:05,030 --> 02:25:02,960
we suffer from hubris after a while

3652
02:25:07,349 --> 02:25:05,040
because we know um you know the

3653
02:25:08,870 --> 02:25:07,359
unknowable at times it seems and then

3654
02:25:10,870 --> 02:25:08,880
there's these anomalous things that

3655
02:25:13,429 --> 02:25:10,880
happen that we can't explain

3656
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:13,439
whether it be a an encounter whether

3657
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:16,000
it's something we call evil whether it's

3658
02:25:20,550 --> 02:25:18,800
just anything just out of the ordinary

3659
02:25:23,349 --> 02:25:20,560
these are things that

3660
02:25:25,349 --> 02:25:23,359
you know that science maybe doesn't

3661
02:25:27,349 --> 02:25:25,359
explain very well or at least not to our

3662
02:25:29,910 --> 02:25:27,359
satisfaction and so i think it leaves

3663
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:29,920
the possibility open and again as

3664
02:25:33,429 --> 02:25:31,439
circling back to what we were talking

3665
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:33,439
about in the beginning wherever whenever

3666
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:34,800
that happens there leaves there's a

3667
02:25:39,270 --> 02:25:37,200
vacuum that's left and that vacuum seeks

3668
02:25:41,670 --> 02:25:39,280
to be filled and so in an effort to fill

3669
02:25:44,230 --> 02:25:41,680
that i think we will sometimes just call

3670
02:25:44,950 --> 02:25:44,240
something evil or demon or or whatnot

3671
02:25:46,950 --> 02:25:44,960
but

3672
02:25:48,630 --> 02:25:46,960
i i think that

3673
02:25:50,309 --> 02:25:48,640
we're always going to have us a fear

3674
02:25:52,389 --> 02:25:50,319
even if we're not

3675
02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:52,399
even if we think we know i think that uh

3676
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:53,439
there's always going to be things that

3677
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:56,640
we can't truly know and then

3678
02:26:01,750 --> 02:25:59,280
fear it's the fear of the unknown a lot

3679
02:26:03,349 --> 02:26:01,760
of people can't handle that idea by the

3680
02:26:05,510 --> 02:26:03,359
just the idea that they don't know

3681
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:05,520
something it's very threatening to them

3682
02:26:08,389 --> 02:26:06,880
i'm quite comfortable with that i

3683
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:08,399
actually enjoy it i don't want to know

3684
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:09,920
everything i take that back i want to

3685
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:11,520
know everything but i'm glad that i

3686
02:26:14,870 --> 02:26:12,960
can't know everything because it keeps

3687
02:26:16,469 --> 02:26:14,880
me going that's right some but some

3688
02:26:18,389 --> 02:26:16,479
people are afraid of that they want to

3689
02:26:20,950 --> 02:26:18,399
feel secure that they know every single

3690
02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:20,960
thing and instead of sitting with that

3691
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:23,760
just saying i i can't know everything

3692
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:25,520
some things are unknowable

3693
02:26:28,630 --> 02:26:27,520
i think that that's what makes people

3694
02:26:31,270 --> 02:26:28,640
afraid

3695
02:26:34,469 --> 02:26:31,280
the book is excellent and where can

3696
02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:34,479
everybody go and find it

3697
02:26:38,790 --> 02:26:36,240
it is everywhere right now it's on

3698
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:38,800
amazon um kindle

3699
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:40,800
it is uh there's an audiobook version

3700
02:26:44,870 --> 02:26:43,200
which is quite nice and there is uh well

3701
02:26:46,790 --> 02:26:44,880
it's in in barnes and noble books a

3702
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:46,800
million anywhere books are sold you can

3703
02:26:51,270 --> 02:26:48,880
find it everywhere now thank you so much

3704
02:26:53,670 --> 02:26:51,280
heather great conversation tonight and i

3705
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:53,680
look forward to your next book thank you

3706
02:26:57,349 --> 02:26:55,840
so much thank you so much for having me

3707
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:57,359
have a great night and thank you to the

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fader knots

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you got c

3710
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right there dr heatherlin thank you so

3711
02:27:07,270 --> 02:27:04,560
much heather have a great night you too

3712
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she said fate or not that's what i'm

3713
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talking about i'm gonna take a break

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fantastic read thank you so much heather

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for an amazing conversation tonight and

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i gotta tell you

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uh just like what this uh book uh did to

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me that's what that conversation tonight

3821
02:32:47,190 --> 02:32:44,240
i mean that's what archaeologists are

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02:32:49,030 --> 02:32:47,200
are going through all the time and and

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02:32:51,349 --> 02:32:49,040
and bringing up things like you know

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02:32:54,150 --> 02:32:51,359
just just things

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02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:54,160
uh a hole in the head well how did it

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02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:56,080
get there what's going on with that or

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02:32:58,950 --> 02:32:58,240
or the bog mummies and the inca mummies

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or

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her time in germany that's a that's an

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02:33:09,950 --> 02:33:07,439
entire village that was only around for

3831
02:33:12,630 --> 02:33:09,960
50 years and they find

3832
02:33:14,870 --> 02:33:12,640
500 bodies

3833
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:14,880
that apparently were eaten

3834
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:16,319
and cooked

3835
02:33:19,110 --> 02:33:17,520
that's

3836
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:19,120
woof

3837
02:33:23,910 --> 02:33:21,920
you know and and going back to uh

3838
02:33:27,270 --> 02:33:23,920
ancient sumer and of course what was

3839
02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:27,280
going on in egypt i didn't even get to

3840
02:33:31,830 --> 02:33:28,399
uh

3841
02:33:34,950 --> 02:33:31,840
so this is i have mentioned this before

3842
02:33:36,070 --> 02:33:34,960
but think about this for a second uh

3843
02:33:37,510 --> 02:33:36,080
you

3844
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:37,520
live in england

3845
02:33:42,950 --> 02:33:39,280
think about how many

3846
02:33:44,230 --> 02:33:42,960
medieval battles that went on all across

3847
02:33:50,309 --> 02:33:44,240
that country

3848
02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:50,319
where thousands of of uh soldiers died

3849
02:33:53,830 --> 02:33:51,280
right

3850
02:33:55,190 --> 02:33:53,840
that that's

3851
02:33:57,510 --> 02:33:55,200
think about that

3852
02:33:58,550 --> 02:33:57,520
right and as an archaeologist and you go

3853
02:33:59,910 --> 02:33:58,560
and you're

3854
02:34:02,950 --> 02:33:59,920
uh

3855
02:34:05,110 --> 02:34:02,960
digging into a battlefield

3856
02:34:07,750 --> 02:34:05,120
which you are going to find there and

3857
02:34:10,469 --> 02:34:07,760
that's that's that's something i i don't

3858
02:34:13,429 --> 02:34:10,479
know as far as the trauma goes as an

3859
02:34:16,389 --> 02:34:13,439
archaeologist what you go through there

3860
02:34:20,070 --> 02:34:16,399
is uh absolutely unbelievable

3861
02:34:22,790 --> 02:34:20,080
to me i don't know talk about ptsd right

3862
02:34:24,950 --> 02:34:22,800
okay i'm uh putting you on hold it's

3863
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:24,960
gonna go silent and i'm gonna go here

3864
02:34:27,990 --> 02:34:26,080
first

3865
02:34:30,389 --> 02:34:28,000
and here we go hi you're live on fade to

3866
02:34:31,349 --> 02:34:30,399
black who's calling

3867
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:31,359
hi

3868
02:34:39,110 --> 02:34:36,960
nevada i want to thank you for uh

3869
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:39,120
acknowledging me on facebook i post a

3870
02:34:44,469 --> 02:34:41,840
show every day

3871
02:34:47,590 --> 02:34:44,479
thank you stephen how are you

3872
02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:47,600
uh not too bad not too bad i am uh ufo

3873
02:34:51,429 --> 02:34:49,520
buff i've been uh

3874
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:51,439
following you with both 50 years i've

3875
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:54,080
been collecting ufo footage and video

3876
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:55,840
for 25 years

3877
02:34:59,429 --> 02:34:58,560
but i really uh enjoy your show

3878
02:35:02,230 --> 02:34:59,439
uh

3879
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,240
what i i'm so impressed and awesome was

3880
02:35:05,830 --> 02:35:04,560
that you asked questions where your

3881
02:35:07,349 --> 02:35:05,840
listeners

3882
02:35:09,590 --> 02:35:07,359
would be asking

3883
02:35:12,070 --> 02:35:09,600
separate you from the rest put you right

3884
02:35:14,150 --> 02:35:12,080
there with george dewey and larry king

3885
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:14,160
you're the best well thank you for that

3886
02:35:19,750 --> 02:35:17,439
stephen and it and i do notice i do see

3887
02:35:22,389 --> 02:35:19,760
you posting and i really appreciate that

3888
02:35:23,910 --> 02:35:22,399
so from all of us here at faded black i

3889
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:23,920
want to thank you and and you're right

3890
02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:25,520
there man you're in

3891
02:35:28,790 --> 02:35:27,359
you're in nye county man you're in

3892
02:35:31,030 --> 02:35:28,800
palump

3893
02:35:34,389 --> 02:35:31,040
right right and uh

3894
02:35:36,550 --> 02:35:34,399
yeah yeah i had uh uh i'm siding here

3895
02:35:38,790 --> 02:35:36,560
with uh some orbs flying over the

3896
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:38,800
mountain and they disappeared it looked

3897
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:40,880
like they were doing surveillance

3898
02:35:45,190 --> 02:35:42,640
there's about five or six orbs and

3899
02:35:47,349 --> 02:35:45,200
they're like transparent where you could

3900
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:47,359
they weren't right uh

3901
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:50,000
you could kind of like see through them

3902
02:35:55,190 --> 02:35:51,439
you know and i've been

3903
02:35:57,190 --> 02:35:55,200
collecting ufo footage for 25 years and

3904
02:35:59,670 --> 02:35:57,200
all the footage and most of the footage

3905
02:36:00,550 --> 02:35:59,680
that we're getting now are orbs

3906
02:36:01,910 --> 02:36:00,560
and

3907
02:36:04,070 --> 02:36:01,920
the way i seen them come over the

3908
02:36:05,590 --> 02:36:04,080
mountain on the valley and just sit

3909
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:05,600
there it looks like they were doing

3910
02:36:11,190 --> 02:36:08,960
surveillance and i think personally that

3911
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:11,200
these orbs are intelligent i think these

3912
02:36:13,670 --> 02:36:12,160
are these

3913
02:36:16,230 --> 02:36:13,680
the aliens themselves that could

3914
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:16,240
transport themselves into light and

3915
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:17,200
travel

3916
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:20,720
because it's just amazing you know uh

3917
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:22,960
that's what i saw and what the fruit is

3918
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:25,280
that people are capturing now

3919
02:36:28,550 --> 02:36:26,399
and uh

3920
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,560
there's this intelligence behind these

3921
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:30,880
orbs there's no doubt about that yeah i

3922
02:36:35,590 --> 02:36:33,520
agree with you and and i've i've noticed

3923
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:35,600
the same trend

3924
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:36,640
and

3925
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:38,720
we've gone through stephen as you know

3926
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:40,800
you've been doing this for a while

3927
02:36:46,389 --> 02:36:43,200
that we uh we've got we lost connection

3928
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:46,399
hello no i've got you

3929
02:36:50,710 --> 02:36:48,960
i've got you stephen maybe uh

3930
02:36:53,590 --> 02:36:50,720
maybe it's trump

3931
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:53,600
true okay steven has lost us but i

3932
02:37:01,670 --> 02:36:54,880
haven't lost

3933
02:37:03,270 --> 02:37:01,680
um is uh uh trump uh nevada and that

3934
02:37:04,710 --> 02:37:03,280
part of the world once you're out there

3935
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:04,720
it's it's uh

3936
02:37:10,150 --> 02:37:08,720
uh west and south west of uh las vegas

3937
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:10,160
things have been going on out there for

3938
02:37:13,510 --> 02:37:11,600
a while but we've gone through these

3939
02:37:16,790 --> 02:37:13,520
phases we went through

3940
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:16,800
uh flying saucers and then cigar shaped

3941
02:37:22,870 --> 02:37:20,640
craft and and of course the uh

3942
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:22,880
uh black triangles

3943
02:37:28,469 --> 02:37:26,880
and the last you know 10 years or so the

3944
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:28,479
last 10 years or so

3945
02:37:34,230 --> 02:37:31,600
it's been all about these orbs which i

3946
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:34,240
have seen myself and i i don't know how

3947
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:35,359
to uh

3948
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:37,760
to explain what's what's going on with

3949
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:40,240
that but i've seen it over and over

3950
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:41,040
again

3951
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:41,920
low

3952
02:37:46,070 --> 02:37:44,080
i've seen it close to the earth of

3953
02:37:47,030 --> 02:37:46,080
course there's the famous green chrome

3954
02:37:49,830 --> 02:37:47,040
balls

3955
02:37:51,270 --> 02:37:49,840
and then up high in the atmosphere

3956
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:51,280
i don't know i don't know what's going

3957
02:37:55,590 --> 02:37:53,120
on with it hi you're live on fade to

3958
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:55,600
black who's calling

3959
02:38:00,230 --> 02:37:58,000
hey jimmy my name is josh hey josh how

3960
02:38:02,550 --> 02:38:00,240
are you where are you calling from from

3961
02:38:04,950 --> 02:38:02,560
california how are you man

3962
02:38:06,790 --> 02:38:04,960
good good good great how are you what's

3963
02:38:09,030 --> 02:38:06,800
on your mind

3964
02:38:11,590 --> 02:38:09,040
uh well a couple things uh first i

3965
02:38:13,830 --> 02:38:11,600
wanted to address uh the recent guest

3966
02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:13,840
you had on the program and some of the

3967
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:16,080
things that were being discussed in the

3968
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:19,040
area of demonology right

3969
02:38:23,670 --> 02:38:21,200
um this is something i've

3970
02:38:25,670 --> 02:38:23,680
recently delved into quite deeply after

3971
02:38:26,830 --> 02:38:25,680
studying from different directions

3972
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:26,840
throughout my

3973
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:30,960
life i'm sorry and um

3974
02:38:33,830 --> 02:38:32,080
i

3975
02:38:35,590 --> 02:38:33,840
would tend to

3976
02:38:36,630 --> 02:38:35,600
i think i could add something to that

3977
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:36,640
and maybe

3978
02:38:40,469 --> 02:38:37,439
uh

3979
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,479
straighten some things out

3980
02:38:44,070 --> 02:38:42,960
back in the ancient times uh the people

3981
02:38:46,469 --> 02:38:44,080
didn't i don't think they really

3982
02:38:48,550 --> 02:38:46,479
believed in demons the way that most

3983
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:48,560
people think of demons today

3984
02:38:54,309 --> 02:38:51,120
um they considered the

3985
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:54,319
diseases and the infections of the soul

3986
02:38:58,070 --> 02:38:55,680
and the mind

3987
02:39:01,349 --> 02:38:58,080
they considered these demons

3988
02:39:03,190 --> 02:39:01,359
uh demons um you know very it's where we

3989
02:39:05,030 --> 02:39:03,200
get the word from but they weren't

3990
02:39:07,830 --> 02:39:05,040
exactly the way we imagined them and

3991
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:07,840
envisioned them today as these uh dark

3992
02:39:11,910 --> 02:39:10,080
forces they were the sicknesses the

3993
02:39:14,230 --> 02:39:11,920
various sicknesses

3994
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:14,240
and a lot of times they felt that

3995
02:39:17,429 --> 02:39:16,319
uh the disease the mind and the way that

3996
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:17,439
we thought

3997
02:39:20,950 --> 02:39:18,240
and

3998
02:39:23,670 --> 02:39:20,960
you know eating impure thinking impure

3999
02:39:25,910 --> 02:39:23,680
and living in pure were the things that

4000
02:39:28,389 --> 02:39:25,920
allowed the body to be inhabited by

4001
02:39:31,670 --> 02:39:28,399
these types of uh you know

4002
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:31,680
negative thoughts or you know really uh

4003
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:33,280
the things that we would attribute it to

4004
02:39:40,150 --> 02:39:36,880
these things so um they felt that the

4005
02:39:42,389 --> 02:39:40,160
different plants and the different um

4006
02:39:44,630 --> 02:39:42,399
uh um remedies that were available in

4007
02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:44,640
the plant um kingdom

4008
02:39:50,790 --> 02:39:47,680
were the different remedies for

4009
02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:50,800
battling these and these were also

4010
02:39:55,670 --> 02:39:53,200
demons these were good demons and they

4011
02:39:57,750 --> 02:39:55,680
fought the bad demons

4012
02:39:59,990 --> 02:39:57,760
and so um

4013
02:40:01,349 --> 02:40:00,000
when they're talking about exorcism a

4014
02:40:04,870 --> 02:40:01,359
lot of the times what they're talking

4015
02:40:07,270 --> 02:40:04,880
about is is exercising the illnesses

4016
02:40:09,110 --> 02:40:07,280
from the body and taking the illnesses

4017
02:40:10,630 --> 02:40:09,120
and removing the illnesses from the body

4018
02:40:13,110 --> 02:40:10,640
and that's what the shaman or the

4019
02:40:15,750 --> 02:40:13,120
magician or the priest the early version

4020
02:40:18,150 --> 02:40:15,760
of the priest was doing

4021
02:40:19,429 --> 02:40:18,160
well it could have been uh

4022
02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:19,439
well okay

4023
02:40:24,230 --> 02:40:22,720
this is this is what i think and i'm no

4024
02:40:25,030 --> 02:40:24,240
expert here

4025
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:25,040
but

4026
02:40:29,830 --> 02:40:27,760
i would venture to guess

4027
02:40:33,349 --> 02:40:29,840
you know let's push back

4028
02:40:35,590 --> 02:40:33,359
let's go beyond 200 years okay before

4029
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:35,600
modern medicine started to kick in and

4030
02:40:38,670 --> 02:40:36,800
certainly

4031
02:40:40,790 --> 02:40:38,680
uh the last hundred years with

4032
02:40:41,510 --> 02:40:40,800
antibiotics okay

4033
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:41,520
but

4034
02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:42,960
if you go back

4035
02:40:48,630 --> 02:40:46,479
200 300 400 500 000 years ago where

4036
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:48,640
there was an infection in the body

4037
02:40:56,309 --> 02:40:53,200
or plague or anything like that where um

4038
02:40:58,790 --> 02:40:56,319
the only diagnosis

4039
02:41:00,230 --> 02:40:58,800
was possession that it was demonic when

4040
02:41:03,270 --> 02:41:00,240
they didn't know

4041
02:41:04,950 --> 02:41:03,280
that it was an infected tooth right

4042
02:41:07,590 --> 02:41:04,960
or something else

4043
02:41:10,110 --> 02:41:07,600
uh that uh had taken over

4044
02:41:11,990 --> 02:41:10,120
somebody's body that eventually led to

4045
02:41:14,870 --> 02:41:12,000
hallucinations and

4046
02:41:16,870 --> 02:41:14,880
and and and brain trauma

4047
02:41:20,710 --> 02:41:16,880
you know that's that's that's where i've

4048
02:41:23,190 --> 02:41:20,720
always naturally kind of uh gone with my

4049
02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:23,200
own mind and that where it was just

4050
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:25,680
the church would not allow any type of

4051
02:41:29,270 --> 02:41:26,720
medical

4052
02:41:31,990 --> 02:41:29,280
uh diagnosis to come into play that it

4053
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:32,000
was always uh demonic

4054
02:41:36,630 --> 02:41:34,240
well it's it's it's interesting that you

4055
02:41:38,950 --> 02:41:36,640
know i think that a lot of people think

4056
02:41:41,110 --> 02:41:38,960
in similar ways to what you've just

4057
02:41:42,550 --> 02:41:41,120
you've just professed um when you just

4058
02:41:44,150 --> 02:41:42,560
when you just said that

4059
02:41:46,710 --> 02:41:44,160
i think it's a common belief and an

4060
02:41:48,230 --> 02:41:46,720
understanding um among people that

4061
02:41:49,830 --> 02:41:48,240
mature you know that when you don't

4062
02:41:51,670 --> 02:41:49,840
really have

4063
02:41:54,550 --> 02:41:51,680
a very good

4064
02:41:57,270 --> 02:41:54,560
solid understanding of ancient history

4065
02:42:00,870 --> 02:41:57,280
we we all and i did this for many years

4066
02:42:03,510 --> 02:42:00,880
we all tend to fill the blanks in with

4067
02:42:05,110 --> 02:42:03,520
our imagination and the way we imagine

4068
02:42:07,270 --> 02:42:05,120
it must have been or the way that we

4069
02:42:10,550 --> 02:42:07,280
imagine it sure it was based on what we

4070
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:10,560
know absolutely but i think the truth is

4071
02:42:16,150 --> 02:42:12,640
that actually um

4072
02:42:18,630 --> 02:42:16,160
before the church uh and in up until the

4073
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:18,640
church time we had the ancient people

4074
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:22,319
had an extremely advanced awareness of

4075
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:23,760
medicine

4076
02:42:31,830 --> 02:42:28,640
and the mind and they did that through

4077
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:31,840
the use of psychedelics mostly the

4078
02:42:34,630 --> 02:42:32,880
mushroom

4079
02:42:38,070 --> 02:42:34,640
and this was something that they

4080
02:42:41,670 --> 02:42:38,080
explored very very intensely and it

4081
02:42:43,910 --> 02:42:41,680
itself was considered a very healing

4082
02:42:46,550 --> 02:42:43,920
thing so it was not just healing for the

4083
02:42:48,550 --> 02:42:46,560
body to cure diseases and things like

4084
02:42:50,630 --> 02:42:48,560
that but it was also it was extremely

4085
02:42:52,790 --> 02:42:50,640
healing for the mind and the soul which

4086
02:42:54,950 --> 02:42:52,800
was really what they felt got to the

4087
02:42:57,110 --> 02:42:54,960
root of a lot of the illnesses so when

4088
02:42:59,670 --> 02:42:57,120
the catholic church came around what

4089
02:43:02,389 --> 02:42:59,680
they did was they basically eliminated

4090
02:43:04,790 --> 02:43:02,399
and demonized the mushroom

4091
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:04,800
and by demonizing the mushroom which was

4092
02:43:08,309 --> 02:43:06,720
a uh which was all one of the things

4093
02:43:10,389 --> 02:43:08,319
that they would give people to cure

4094
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:10,399
things they could you know a lot of

4095
02:43:13,910 --> 02:43:12,240
things could result a lot of ideas could

4096
02:43:15,110 --> 02:43:13,920
result from that and the church when

4097
02:43:17,110 --> 02:43:15,120
they took over

4098
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:17,120
got rid of a lot of these caring and

4099
02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:19,040
healing things and tried to say that the

4100
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:20,560
all of this had to come through the

4101
02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:23,040
church and through the the priests in

4102
02:43:27,349 --> 02:43:25,120
the church but which was really just a

4103
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:27,359
continuation of the shaman priest from

4104
02:43:32,230 --> 02:43:30,160
from before and rome and rome and these

4105
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:32,240
these priests and the controllers of the

4106
02:43:35,910 --> 02:43:34,319
catholic church were no dummies

4107
02:43:37,510 --> 02:43:35,920
at the time they were extremely

4108
02:43:41,429 --> 02:43:37,520
knowledgeable but what they wanted to do

4109
02:43:44,230 --> 02:43:41,439
is propel humanity into the darkness

4110
02:43:47,590 --> 02:43:44,240
and keep us away from the knowledge of

4111
02:43:50,070 --> 02:43:47,600
the healing abilities of the plants

4112
02:43:52,150 --> 02:43:50,080
because they had to control you know

4113
02:43:53,670 --> 02:43:52,160
that's that's that's really uh the

4114
02:43:56,070 --> 02:43:53,680
bottom line here

4115
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:56,080
and josh i really appreciate the phone

4116
02:43:59,349 --> 02:43:58,319
call man very very insightful thank you

4117
02:44:01,190 --> 02:43:59,359
so much

4118
02:44:02,469 --> 02:44:01,200
thank you for having me man have a great

4119
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:02,479
night

4120
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:05,840
and see the uh the other part of that is

4121
02:44:11,110 --> 02:44:08,800
when you think about uh the the catholic

4122
02:44:13,670 --> 02:44:11,120
church back then or any

4123
02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:13,680
religious organization that was uh

4124
02:44:18,389 --> 02:44:17,600
dominant in in that particular culture

4125
02:44:21,429 --> 02:44:18,399
is that

4126
02:44:23,670 --> 02:44:21,439
you especially as a

4127
02:44:25,510 --> 02:44:23,680
a doctor or somebody that called you

4128
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:25,520
called themselves a doctor was trying to

4129
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:27,279
figure that stuff out you weren't going

4130
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:28,880
to overrule

4131
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:30,319
the church

4132
02:44:34,309 --> 02:44:32,640
not in your town

4133
02:44:36,469 --> 02:44:34,319
it just wasn't gonna happen if you

4134
02:44:37,990 --> 02:44:36,479
wanted to say hey you know what i think

4135
02:44:41,110 --> 02:44:38,000
i think there's a

4136
02:44:42,790 --> 02:44:41,120
there's something else going i think

4137
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:42,800
there's you know i think there's

4138
02:44:45,590 --> 02:44:44,160
something happening here i don't think

4139
02:44:47,429 --> 02:44:45,600
it's demonic

4140
02:44:48,950 --> 02:44:47,439
you're not going to overrule the church

4141
02:44:50,790 --> 02:44:48,960
you're not going to be able to go in and

4142
02:44:52,790 --> 02:44:50,800
try some cure

4143
02:44:55,510 --> 02:44:52,800
it ain't going to happen

4144
02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:55,520
and there's just no way there's no way

4145
02:45:01,750 --> 02:44:57,120
that that was going to happen hi you're

4146
02:45:03,670 --> 02:45:02,710
hey

4147
02:45:06,469 --> 02:45:03,680
jimmy

4148
02:45:11,269 --> 02:45:09,910
hey um i'm calling from the caribbean

4149
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:11,279
i'm french

4150
02:45:15,110 --> 02:45:13,359
you're french calling from the caribbean

4151
02:45:16,710 --> 02:45:15,120
how are you what's your name

4152
02:45:19,110 --> 02:45:16,720
yes

4153
02:45:21,190 --> 02:45:19,120
my name is leonel

4154
02:45:24,710 --> 02:45:21,200
i'm calling from guadalupe

4155
02:45:29,190 --> 02:45:26,630
i'm doing fine

4156
02:45:31,510 --> 02:45:29,200
it's my first time calling and i'm not

4157
02:45:33,750 --> 02:45:31,520
even um

4158
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:33,760
it's hard for me to speak english but i

4159
02:45:38,070 --> 02:45:35,760
really wanted to call you

4160
02:45:40,950 --> 02:45:38,080
to thank you for your show the quality

4161
02:45:45,429 --> 02:45:42,950
to say hi to everybody

4162
02:45:48,870 --> 02:45:45,439
thank you so much for that man and i

4163
02:45:50,550 --> 02:45:48,880
really appreciate the phone call and uh

4164
02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:50,560
and since you've taken the time to call

4165
02:45:56,469 --> 02:45:52,800
in uh what did you think of the show

4166
02:46:01,750 --> 02:46:00,130
uh ali i listened really carefully and

4167
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:01,760
[Music]

4168
02:46:10,150 --> 02:46:05,920
it was a really interesting subject

4169
02:46:13,190 --> 02:46:10,160
and it's um

4170
02:46:16,469 --> 02:46:13,200
i'm sorry uh i'm losing words but i

4171
02:46:18,950 --> 02:46:16,479
really like this subject it's dark and

4172
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:18,960
it's like watching a normal movie

4173
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:20,800
yes i know right

4174
02:46:25,030 --> 02:46:23,200
i totally agree there were a couple of

4175
02:46:27,510 --> 02:46:25,040
times tonight lionel where i was just

4176
02:46:29,110 --> 02:46:27,520
like oh wow

4177
02:46:33,750 --> 02:46:29,120
but

4178
02:46:40,790 --> 02:46:36,830
yes and do the

4179
02:46:43,429 --> 02:46:40,800
500 buddies whoa i know huge i know you

4180
02:46:44,870 --> 02:46:43,439
should get the book and and and read the

4181
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:44,880
full story

4182
02:46:49,990 --> 02:46:48,000
um it's uh it's absolutely amazing well

4183
02:46:51,429 --> 02:46:50,000
listen lionel thank you i know you're a

4184
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:51,439
first time caller

4185
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:55,200
but call back anytime okay

4186
02:47:01,830 --> 02:46:58,560
okay just thank you for for your show

4187
02:47:05,429 --> 02:47:01,840
you you seem to be a really good guy

4188
02:47:06,389 --> 02:47:05,439
and uh i watch your show almost every

4189
02:47:08,550 --> 02:47:06,399
every night

4190
02:47:11,670 --> 02:47:08,560
thank you so much and and spread the

4191
02:47:15,429 --> 02:47:11,680
word in the caribbean will you

4192
02:47:17,030 --> 02:47:15,439
okay okay i try thank you lionel

4193
02:47:19,990 --> 02:47:17,040
have a great night

4194
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:20,000
thank you thank you yes you do bye the

4195
02:47:24,150 --> 02:47:22,319
caribbean calling in

4196
02:47:26,870 --> 02:47:24,160
to fade to black

4197
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:26,880
you gotta love that

4198
02:47:30,550 --> 02:47:28,319
right there

4199
02:47:34,469 --> 02:47:30,560
let's stay on the phones uh he's right

4200
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:34,479
though the 500 bodies in her time

4201
02:47:39,670 --> 02:47:36,640
i'm telling you you guys got to get this

4202
02:47:41,670 --> 02:47:39,680
book and there are literally hundreds

4203
02:47:42,550 --> 02:47:41,680
and hundreds of references of different

4204
02:47:47,910 --> 02:47:42,560
uh

4205
02:47:49,510 --> 02:47:47,920
world about the subject it's absolutely

4206
02:47:52,070 --> 02:47:49,520
incredible hi you're live on fade to

4207
02:47:54,870 --> 02:47:52,080
black who's calling

4208
02:47:56,230 --> 02:47:54,880
hey jimmy this is joey hey joey how are

4209
02:47:57,910 --> 02:47:56,240
you

4210
02:47:59,750 --> 02:47:57,920
man i'm doing all right so if i got a

4211
02:48:01,510 --> 02:47:59,760
crick in my neck i feel like you ever

4212
02:48:03,190 --> 02:48:01,520
get this burning sensation across your

4213
02:48:06,230 --> 02:48:03,200
chest like somebody's got a voodoo doll

4214
02:48:08,340 --> 02:48:06,240
yeah i get it i get it every day

4215
02:48:10,309 --> 02:48:08,350
what about right now yeah right now

4216
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:10,319
[Laughter]

4217
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:12,399
it's a joke

4218
02:48:16,469 --> 02:48:14,880
somebody out there is is poking pins

4219
02:48:18,230 --> 02:48:16,479
into a voodoo doll

4220
02:48:21,269 --> 02:48:18,240
uh and and the voodoo doll's got a

4221
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:21,279
goatee i guarantee it

4222
02:48:27,990 --> 02:48:24,240
guaranteed got me buddy yeah

4223
02:48:29,990 --> 02:48:28,000
so listen um i want to tell you uh i um

4224
02:48:31,670 --> 02:48:30,000
noticed earlier today in the news that

4225
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:31,680
you know they changed columbus day to

4226
02:48:36,230 --> 02:48:33,600
indigenous people's day or whatever you

4227
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:36,240
know well they've been trying to

4228
02:48:39,910 --> 02:48:38,240
well they did it in like arizona

4229
02:48:41,670 --> 02:48:39,920
something like that on this some state

4230
02:48:43,750 --> 02:48:41,680
or some mayor just

4231
02:48:45,750 --> 02:48:43,760
redid it or whatever but uh

4232
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:45,760
so i said well who was here before the

4233
02:48:49,670 --> 02:48:47,520
uh native americans

4234
02:48:51,110 --> 02:48:49,680
you know and uh

4235
02:48:52,469 --> 02:48:51,120
you know i

4236
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:52,479
just started talking about this with

4237
02:48:56,710 --> 02:48:54,000
this lady about you know this missing

4238
02:48:58,070 --> 02:48:56,720
history and stuff and um one of your

4239
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:58,080
listeners or somebody in your twitter

4240
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:59,760
feed you gotta check it out because she

4241
02:49:03,830 --> 02:49:01,120
put up an article

4242
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:03,840
about these uh it was a giant skull or

4243
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:06,720
whatever that were uh found in missouri

4244
02:49:09,349 --> 02:49:07,520
um

4245
02:49:10,630 --> 02:49:09,359
i think it was hundreds of feet deep on

4246
02:49:12,469 --> 02:49:10,640
the ground or something i don't know i

4247
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:12,479
didn't read the whole thing but um it

4248
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:14,160
was intriguing and it was odd that it

4249
02:49:17,030 --> 02:49:15,520
just still kind of

4250
02:49:18,870 --> 02:49:17,040
you know

4251
02:49:20,309 --> 02:49:18,880
lined up like that but

4252
02:49:21,670 --> 02:49:20,319
anyhow um

4253
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:21,680
you know where's the missing history of

4254
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:23,040
america who was here before the

4255
02:49:28,790 --> 02:49:26,080
indigenous people you know um where's

4256
02:49:30,389 --> 02:49:28,800
the proof where's where's the i mean

4257
02:49:33,670 --> 02:49:30,399
life didn't start in america or north

4258
02:49:35,990 --> 02:49:33,680
america did it well see look

4259
02:49:38,230 --> 02:49:36,000
that joey when

4260
02:49:40,870 --> 02:49:38,240
this subject comes up

4261
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:40,880
it is one of the most heated arguments

4262
02:49:44,150 --> 02:49:43,359
and and the

4263
02:49:48,230 --> 02:49:44,160
the

4264
02:49:50,389 --> 02:49:48,240
if if we if we listen to what historians

4265
02:49:53,429 --> 02:49:50,399
are trying to tell us anthropologists

4266
02:49:56,710 --> 02:49:53,439
and who have chased back dna and traced

4267
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:56,720
it that uh you know everything uh the uh

4268
02:50:01,830 --> 02:49:59,520
inuits and and going up through uh

4269
02:50:04,469 --> 02:50:01,840
alaska and the bering strait and the

4270
02:50:06,309 --> 02:50:04,479
land bridge that went over to siberia

4271
02:50:07,510 --> 02:50:06,319
that apparently

4272
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:07,520
uh

4273
02:50:11,830 --> 02:50:09,439
we're russians

4274
02:50:14,070 --> 02:50:11,840
right apparently

4275
02:50:14,950 --> 02:50:14,080
that that is the case

4276
02:50:19,510 --> 02:50:14,960
um

4277
02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:19,520
and now if we go back uh further now so

4278
02:50:24,630 --> 02:50:22,000
that supposedly happened around 15 000

4279
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:24,640
years ago okay all right okay all right

4280
02:50:29,670 --> 02:50:26,960
all right okay i can i can buy into some

4281
02:50:33,110 --> 02:50:29,680
of that but then we just had the recent

4282
02:50:35,830 --> 02:50:33,120
uh discoveries in san diego

4283
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:35,840
uh and you can go and check this out the

4284
02:50:42,510 --> 02:50:39,279
press releases came out about a year ago

4285
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:42,520
of homo sapien sapien

4286
02:50:47,590 --> 02:50:45,600
150 000 years ago

4287
02:50:50,550 --> 02:50:47,600
killing mammoths

4288
02:50:54,309 --> 02:50:50,560
in san diego and apparently

4289
02:50:58,150 --> 02:50:54,319
the the bones of the mammoths had strike

4290
02:50:58,950 --> 02:50:58,160
marks from uh flint knives

4291
02:50:59,750 --> 02:50:58,960
okay

4292
02:51:05,670 --> 02:50:59,760
so

4293
02:51:09,990 --> 02:51:05,680
completely

4294
02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:10,000
uh the original and accepted uh largely

4295
02:51:14,389 --> 02:51:11,200
accepted

4296
02:51:16,790 --> 02:51:14,399
a way that uh the original uh americans

4297
02:51:18,309 --> 02:51:16,800
got here were from

4298
02:51:20,469 --> 02:51:18,319
the bering strait land bridge but

4299
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:20,479
apparently it predated that by another

4300
02:51:26,469 --> 02:51:22,240
hundred hundred fifty thousand years so

4301
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:26,479
i don't know you know and i i i have i

4302
02:51:30,469 --> 02:51:27,920
have no clue

4303
02:51:32,710 --> 02:51:30,479
the other part to all of this when we

4304
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:32,720
talk about you know where man came from

4305
02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:34,479
and everything points to

4306
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:37,200
central and south africa

4307
02:51:40,950 --> 02:51:39,120
and and lucy

4308
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:40,960
uh and and going back in

4309
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:45,120
australopithecus and and homo erectus

4310
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:47,120
um the

4311
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:48,000
the

4312
02:51:53,269 --> 02:51:49,840
that would indicate

4313
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:53,279
uh a migration from southern and central

4314
02:51:59,190 --> 02:51:55,120
africa going north

4315
02:52:00,630 --> 02:51:59,200
but the other parts to all of this now

4316
02:52:04,469 --> 02:52:00,640
is indicating

4317
02:52:07,910 --> 02:52:04,479
northern siberia and heading south

4318
02:52:11,110 --> 02:52:07,920
into mesopotamia because that is where

4319
02:52:13,990 --> 02:52:11,120
if you look at gobekli tepe today go

4320
02:52:18,150 --> 02:52:14,000
back lee tepe is 12 000 years old now

4321
02:52:21,269 --> 02:52:18,160
gobekli tepi apparently was built from

4322
02:52:22,550 --> 02:52:21,279
migration that came from the north down

4323
02:52:26,550 --> 02:52:22,560
to the south

4324
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:26,560
you would think that it was from egypt

4325
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:30,880
and uh uh ancient sumer and mesopotamia

4326
02:52:34,950 --> 02:52:32,479
going north

4327
02:52:37,269 --> 02:52:34,960
but there's a seven thousand year gap

4328
02:52:40,710 --> 02:52:37,279
between gobekli tepe and what was going

4329
02:52:43,830 --> 02:52:40,720
on in ancient sumer and in ancient egypt

4330
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:43,840
so it contradicts themselves

4331
02:52:48,469 --> 02:52:47,680
right so now where do we go with that

4332
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:48,479
you know

4333
02:52:51,349 --> 02:52:50,560
i i don't know and how would

4334
02:52:57,190 --> 02:52:51,359
uh

4335
02:52:59,510 --> 02:52:57,200
civilizations migrate all the way up to

4336
02:53:02,230 --> 02:52:59,520
siberia and then come around

4337
02:53:03,830 --> 02:53:02,240
uh to the south again again any i guess

4338
02:53:06,070 --> 02:53:03,840
anything is possible

4339
02:53:09,030 --> 02:53:06,080
but the way that they are chasing this

4340
02:53:11,590 --> 02:53:09,040
dna back we've got two separate things

4341
02:53:14,630 --> 02:53:11,600
that are happening here one in southern

4342
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:14,640
africa and central africa and one up in

4343
02:53:19,750 --> 02:53:17,279
northern siberia

4344
02:53:21,190 --> 02:53:19,760
well i mean unless they find that uh

4345
02:53:23,750 --> 02:53:21,200
like you're saying earlier like the

4346
02:53:25,110 --> 02:53:23,760
earth shattering evidence of something

4347
02:53:27,269 --> 02:53:25,120
you know to kind of tell us the whole

4348
02:53:29,830 --> 02:53:27,279
story the whole history or just even

4349
02:53:31,269 --> 02:53:29,840
just one sliver of it you know could uh

4350
02:53:33,030 --> 02:53:31,279
like you said it's an arrow you know

4351
02:53:35,030 --> 02:53:33,040
points in the right direction well

4352
02:53:38,309 --> 02:53:35,040
that's where i conclude that's what you

4353
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:38,319
know see that's what i want to have

4354
02:53:42,550 --> 02:53:40,240
happen

4355
02:53:45,190 --> 02:53:42,560
i i would have thought

4356
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:45,200
joey and i'm being very serious when i

4357
02:53:51,349 --> 02:53:48,000
say this i would have thought

4358
02:53:53,590 --> 02:53:51,359
that gobekli tepi which clearly was not

4359
02:53:59,670 --> 02:53:53,600
supposed to exist

4360
02:54:01,830 --> 02:53:59,680
it's there and it's 12 000 years old

4361
02:54:04,550 --> 02:54:01,840
that that would cause

4362
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:04,560
all history to be rewritten

4363
02:54:09,269 --> 02:54:06,720
they didn't do it in fact they don't

4364
02:54:11,030 --> 02:54:09,279
even talk about it don't you think that

4365
02:54:15,030 --> 02:54:11,040
gobekli tepi

4366
02:54:17,990 --> 02:54:15,040
would should have been uh in 1995

4367
02:54:21,030 --> 02:54:18,000
the headline news on every single

4368
02:54:22,469 --> 02:54:21,040
broadcast on this planet including

4369
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:22,479
vatican yeah

4370
02:54:24,950 --> 02:54:23,600
right

4371
02:54:26,790 --> 02:54:24,960
yeah

4372
02:54:28,070 --> 02:54:26,800
you didn't hear about it until fade to

4373
02:54:29,910 --> 02:54:28,080
black

4374
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:29,920
until this show

4375
02:54:34,150 --> 02:54:31,439
you know there were

4376
02:54:35,910 --> 02:54:34,160
and and and not to say that we broke the

4377
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:35,920
news we didn't you know there were

4378
02:54:40,550 --> 02:54:38,720
plenty of uh you know linda moulton howe

4379
02:54:43,030 --> 02:54:40,560
was out there and john anthony west was

4380
02:54:44,710 --> 02:54:43,040
out there and and graham hancock and

4381
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:44,720
robert shock

4382
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:46,479
they were all out there checking it out

4383
02:54:52,710 --> 02:54:50,000
but nobody would listen to uh all of us

4384
02:54:55,750 --> 02:54:52,720
you know fringe researchers you know

4385
02:54:58,070 --> 02:54:55,760
fringe radio shows and and ancient

4386
02:55:01,510 --> 02:54:58,080
aliens no we don't count

4387
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:01,520
but that that is how big of a a story go

4388
02:55:04,309 --> 02:55:03,520
back lee tapias now this is back to my

4389
02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:04,319
point

4390
02:55:11,750 --> 02:55:07,760
if we find another gobekli teppy

4391
02:55:15,750 --> 02:55:11,760
right uh it's some kind of uh proof of

4392
02:55:18,550 --> 02:55:15,760
of atlantis or lumeria and and and some

4393
02:55:21,590 --> 02:55:18,560
breaking situation where now it's not

4394
02:55:23,670 --> 02:55:21,600
even 12 000 years old but maybe it's 50

4395
02:55:26,550 --> 02:55:23,680
000 years old

4396
02:55:27,510 --> 02:55:26,560
mm-hmm are we going to hear about it

4397
02:55:29,670 --> 02:55:27,520
probably

4398
02:55:31,269 --> 02:55:29,680
paintings didn't they have didn't have

4399
02:55:33,990 --> 02:55:31,279
recently discovered cave paintings that

4400
02:55:36,469 --> 02:55:34,000
were like 45 000 years old yeah

4401
02:55:38,710 --> 02:55:36,479
and real real news

4402
02:55:40,389 --> 02:55:38,720
no no la crow france well they found him

4403
02:55:41,990 --> 02:55:40,399
in spain they found him in france they

4404
02:55:43,190 --> 02:55:42,000
found him in italy and they found him in

4405
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:43,200
australia

4406
02:55:49,030 --> 02:55:46,399
all of them dating uh between twenty

4407
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:49,040
thousand and forty five thousand years

4408
02:55:54,469 --> 02:55:52,479
ago and and some of them are the most

4409
02:55:56,150 --> 02:55:54,479
elaborate 3d

4410
02:55:57,590 --> 02:55:56,160
fine art

4411
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:57,600
you know look

4412
02:56:01,910 --> 02:55:59,760
uh you and i when we were five years old

4413
02:56:03,910 --> 02:56:01,920
drawing stick figures right of our

4414
02:56:07,190 --> 02:56:03,920
family and our dogs right okay that's

4415
02:56:08,950 --> 02:56:07,200
not what's on these these these walls

4416
02:56:12,630 --> 02:56:08,960
we are talking about

4417
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:12,640
a beautiful beautiful artwork so i've

4418
02:56:16,389 --> 02:56:14,720
seen the what hurts or what's his name

4419
02:56:18,070 --> 02:56:16,399
um

4420
02:56:19,990 --> 02:56:18,080
that's the first one yeah that's a lot

4421
02:56:22,389 --> 02:56:20,000
that's in the crow france and that

4422
02:56:24,870 --> 02:56:22,399
documentary that documentary i love

4423
02:56:27,030 --> 02:56:24,880
warner herzog he's the best

4424
02:56:29,830 --> 02:56:27,040
that documentaries

4425
02:56:32,550 --> 02:56:29,840
that documentary's one of the best

4426
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:32,560
documentaries about uh ancient uh

4427
02:56:38,790 --> 02:56:35,760
civilizations period uh that's ever been

4428
02:56:40,790 --> 02:56:38,800
done and it took him to make it but

4429
02:56:42,469 --> 02:56:40,800
um that

4430
02:56:44,469 --> 02:56:42,479
we weren't supposed to have that kind of

4431
02:56:45,910 --> 02:56:44,479
sophistication we weren't supposed to

4432
02:56:47,830 --> 02:56:45,920
think about art

4433
02:56:49,910 --> 02:56:47,840
we weren't you know we weren't supposed

4434
02:56:51,110 --> 02:56:49,920
to be able to do that but obviously we

4435
02:56:52,630 --> 02:56:51,120
did right

4436
02:56:54,790 --> 02:56:52,640
so yeah

4437
02:56:56,309 --> 02:56:54,800
it did was that the game changer that

4438
02:56:58,389 --> 02:56:56,319
rewrote history

4439
02:57:00,630 --> 02:56:58,399
nobody wants to take a chance and and

4440
02:57:02,870 --> 02:57:00,640
and write history like that

4441
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:02,880
yeah and i don't i don't i don't get it

4442
02:57:07,590 --> 02:57:04,720
i don't joey

4443
02:57:09,910 --> 02:57:07,600
go beckley teppy is uh just like those

4444
02:57:12,309 --> 02:57:09,920
cave paintings go beckley tepe is

4445
02:57:15,670 --> 02:57:12,319
probably the most important historical

4446
02:57:17,750 --> 02:57:15,680
site on planet earth more important than

4447
02:57:19,590 --> 02:57:17,760
giza more important than

4448
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:19,600
the the great sphinx and i'm not

4449
02:57:24,710 --> 02:57:21,760
discounting any of that but we've

4450
02:57:29,269 --> 02:57:24,720
clearly we've clearly dated it carbon

4451
02:57:31,190 --> 02:57:29,279
dated it to 11 000 uh and older

4452
02:57:33,590 --> 02:57:31,200
there's a possibility that some of the

4453
02:57:35,190 --> 02:57:33,600
site is even another five four five

4454
02:57:37,910 --> 02:57:35,200
thousand years older than what we've

4455
02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:37,920
already got now well wait we've only

4456
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:39,680
discovered like a tenth of it right

4457
02:57:44,950 --> 02:57:42,000
that's right that's right and 20 it's

4458
02:57:47,110 --> 02:57:44,960
huge yes it's huge it's huge it's huge i

4459
02:57:49,510 --> 02:57:47,120
mean it's unbelievable

4460
02:57:51,429 --> 02:57:49,520
we just found the newest stuff well joey

4461
02:57:52,870 --> 02:57:51,439
i gotta well i gotta rock on out of here

4462
02:57:54,309 --> 02:57:52,880
man we'll see you tomorrow night thank

4463
02:57:55,990 --> 02:57:54,319
you for the phone call all right thanks

4464
02:57:58,070 --> 02:57:56,000
sir all right bye

4465
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:58,080
great phone call right there great great

4466
02:58:02,790 --> 02:58:01,040
night on this show unbelievable i want

4467
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:02,800
to thank everybody that called tonight

4468
02:58:07,910 --> 02:58:05,279
and everybody that tweeted and of course

4469
02:58:10,429 --> 02:58:07,920
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4470
02:58:12,630 --> 02:58:10,439
archaeology

4471
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:12,640
drheatherlin.com and you can also find

4472
02:58:15,830 --> 02:58:13,359
it

4473
02:58:17,750 --> 02:58:15,840
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4474
02:58:19,269 --> 02:58:17,760
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4475
02:58:21,110 --> 02:58:19,279
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4476
02:58:23,750 --> 02:58:21,120
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4477
02:58:26,309 --> 02:58:23,760
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4478
02:58:27,429 --> 02:58:26,319
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4479
02:58:30,830 --> 02:58:27,439
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4480
02:58:35,110 --> 02:58:33,030
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4481
02:58:38,630 --> 02:58:35,120
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4482
02:58:41,030 --> 02:58:38,640
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4483
02:58:42,630 --> 02:58:41,040
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4484
02:58:45,510 --> 02:58:42,640
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4485
02:58:47,910 --> 02:58:45,520
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4486
02:58:50,070 --> 02:58:47,920
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4487
02:58:51,670 --> 02:58:50,080
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4488
02:58:53,429 --> 02:58:51,680
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4489
02:58:55,830 --> 02:58:53,439
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4490
02:58:59,510 --> 02:58:55,840
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4491
02:59:02,150 --> 02:58:59,520
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4492
02:59:04,070 --> 02:59:02,160
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4493
02:59:05,190 --> 02:59:04,080
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4494
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:05,200
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4495
02:59:09,570 --> 02:59:07,359
be safe

4496
02:59:24,150 --> 02:59:09,580
go backly tapping

4497
02:59:33,930 --> 02:59:25,630
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